Scanner Tales: The cars (and a few trucks and vans)

N9JIG

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I have had scanners in every car I have owned in the almost 50 years I have been driving as well as my parents’ cars before I got my license. Back in the day I also had CBs, that ended when I graduated to ham and GMRS. In my dad’s car when I was a teenager, he had a CB radio (it was all the rage then) and he even bought one of those weird 8-track scanners made by Bearcat. That weird scanner actually worked pretty well for our local police and fire channels.

We spent many family vacations in Dad’s Buick or Ford Torino, depending on what year it was, and Dad liked to listen to the CB. With crystal scanners however it was hit or miss, if the locals used the same freqs as our hometown departments we were able to hear stuff on the scanner but for the most part it was pretty quiet away from home.

Around home however I spent more time in Mom’s car going to and from school, the mall or wherever suburban kids had to go in the 70’s. I had a Regency 8-channel scanner and a 6-channel Radio Shack CB in her Pinto, then a Plymouth Valiant and later the Ford Granada.

When I was 16, I got my driver’s license. I was relegated to drive my mom’s car at first. I usually had no problem using it in the evenings and parts of the weekends but could get co-opted. My best friend, however, had a car, a 10-year-old Ford Galaxy 500 that of course we outfitted with a CB. He was not much for scanners however, so I usually brought my trusty 4-channel Midland pocket scanner.

Soon after I graduated high school, I got my first car of my own, a beat-up old Chevy Chevelle that had sat in my older sister’s driveway for years. They were happy to get rid of it and after a little work (and a lot of cleaning) we got it to run. Of course I installed whatever CB I had at the time, probably a 23-channel Radio Shack unit. I also added a crystal scanner, an 8-channel Regency.

At the time (late 1970’s and early 1980’s) trunk-lip antennas were the most popular for scanners and CB’s. I liked them as they worked well, were securely fastened and easy to install. Dad liked them as there were no holes to lower the trade-in value. Of course that was not an issue for my 69 Chevy, I would likely have to pay someone to take it away eventually. As radios were not my primary focus in my life at the time I did fine with the trunk-lip antennas.

After I started working full time, I bought a newer used car, this time a 3-year-old Ford Fairmont Futura. This was a sporty looking sedan. My dad liked it and steered me towards is as it had a relatively weak straight-6 (read: slow), the styling of the car made it look like it was going fast but I had to get out and push it to get it out of its own way. In the flatlands of Illinois, it did just fine but there were some hills in Wisconsin that I was afraid of getting a parking ticket while driving uphill in it.

As slow as the car was it really was a good ride for me. It ran well, was affordable on a young dispatcher’s salary and did a great job for me. I was working evenings in the dispatch center, going to community college during the day and a few nights a week doing fire shifts after I finished my EMT and Firefighter certifications. I had graduated to a 20-channel Regency scanner by then and needed the extra channels. I had a half-dozen fire channels for my local area, a bunch of police channels and the local railroads. On my sedan those trunk-lip antennas worked great.

When I graduated from college, I treated myself to my first new car, a 1981 Mustang. With a straight 4 and a 3-speed automatic it wasn’t any faster than the Fairmont, but it looked cool. More importantly my girlfriend liked it, so did my other one. It had less room for radios however, so I bought one of those CB’s where all the controls were in the mic. For a scanner I mounted my 20-channel Regency on the back of the center console. It was difficult to see but it worked just fine. I could usually tell what channel it was by the voice or context anyway. I tried a few other scanners now and then, including a few handhelds and smaller mobile scanners under the dash with this car as well.

After a couple years with this 4-cylinder Mustang my best friend bought a Mustang GT. Well, I had to have one too, so I got one. This thing had a 302 cu. V8, 4 speed stick-shift and was the fastest production car made in America at the time. I got that thing up to 130 MPH a few times and I still had RPMs to spare but the TRX tires I had were only rated to 120. As for radios I just popped in the same ones from the prior car.

For these two Mustangs (and the third that replaced the GT a couple years later) the hatch-back made the regular trunk-lips unusable. The way the hatch opened did not leave enough clearance for the antennas. If I used them on the outer edges, then the antenna stuck out at a weird angle. I made that work for a short scanner antenna by bending the element at the base but eventually that failed as I could never seem to get it threaded just right to properly position it upright. Eventually I found some adjustable hatchback lip-mounts that allowed me to properly orient the antenna when mounted to the side of the hatch.

My third Mustang had a wonky engine computer and would suddenly go into a fit of poor combustion, causing huge clouds of black smoke. The guys with the big pickups these days would love it as it “blew coal” on a regular basis. The problem was that when it did it wouldn’t drive, so I got stuck wherever it decided to smoke out. Ford, to its credit, took it back under the then brand new “Lemon Law”. I only had a couple thousand miles on it after about six months, so they bought it back for only a few hundred dollars less than what I paid.

I then bought a Ford Bronco II. This was my first truck, such as it was. It was 4WD but back then you had to stop and manually lock the front hubs before going into 4WD. I did not spring for the off-road tires, and I quickly found out what a mistake that was.

As for the radios I first used the dreaded Mag-mounts for the CB and scanner as we had a trip to Michigan planned for that week. We were going to take my brother-in-law’s old Chevy Nova since my Mustang was too unreliable. I surprised the BIL when I showed up with my brand new 4WD Monster Truck (well, a little Bronco II anyway) so I didn’t have time to properly mount antennas. For this trip I just stuffed the scanner between the seats and the CB laid on the floor behind the driver, both plugged into the cigar lighter socket. It worked.

We headed off for northern Wisconsin and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in search of Alco’s. For the non-railfans reading this, Alco built locomotives until the late 1960’s, and by the mid 1980’s were rare and highly prized by train nuts like me. Northern Wisconsin and Michigan were hotspots for Alco hunters, so we stalked them often. Some of these railroads also used old Baldwin locomotives, these were even more rare. The scanner was a huge help of course so I bought crystals for the GB&W, C&NW, Soo, MILW, LS&I and E&LS railroads.

I bought the Bronco on Thursday, we left for the North Woods early on Friday morning. We went straight up to Munising, MI where my BIL’s brother lived. He was still working when we arrived, so we decided to head out to a junction outside of town to try to catch the local job switching the interchange. It had rained all week long and what had once been a dirt road to the junction was now a linear mud pit. Not to worry, I have 4WD!

Nowadays I know that 4WD means only that you get stuck further away from home. Back then I thought it meant I could go anywhere, anytime. We headed off the blacktop into the mud and got almost a full hundred yards before we got stuck in the mud. As I was a 4WD driver for almost a full day by then I managed to get that little truck stuck so far down in the mud that we couldn’t even open the doors, we had to climb out the windows.

With crank-up windows (Remember those?) we couldn’t close one window all the way, the driver’s side one was left open partially as my arm wasn’t long nor removable enough to close it any further. Of course it was pouring down rain, cold and windy. I tried to cover the partially open window with my jacket (“Members Only” of course, this was the 80’s after all) held down by some rocks. We then walked the 8 miles into town and met my BIL’s brother at home. We dried off, had some dinner and then went to the local farm store and bought some steel rope and went back to where we left my truck.

(Continued in Part 2 below)

The jacket had blown off and wrapped itself around a nearby tree, leaving the window unblocked, the scanner (My Regency 20-channel pride and joy) was soaked. The CB was lying in a puddle on the floor in the back. We pulled out my little truck with that wire rope and the winch on the F250. $20 in quarters at the local National Pride and the exterior was clean enough. As things dried the smell of burnt mud being baked off the exhaust permeated the upholstery and the interior itself was soggy for the rest of the trip. The CB was toast but surprisingly the scanner still worked. That made what was a bad start to the trip more bearable.

When I got home a few days later I dropped my poor 5-day old truck off at a detail shop and a couple days and a couple hundred dollars later it looked and smelled almost new again. Later on, I joined the JDTDH (Just Drill The Darn Hole) club. I popped in a couple 3/8” antenna mounts, one for a CB and one for a scanner. I hadn’t discovered NMO’s yet. While that old Regency 20-channel crystal scanner still worked it was not practical as a mobile scanner in such a cramped interior. By then I had a BC20/20 scanner as well and discovered that it fit the pocket shelf above the glovebox perfectly. By drilling a couple strategically placed holes I was able to just press-fit it in and it lived there the rest of the time I owned that little truckster.
 

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A few years later in the early 1990’s I bought a Chevy Celebrity. It was a nice, comfortable and affordable car with front-wheel drive. This meant it had a lot more interior room for mounting radios. That 20/20 was getting old so I tried out a PRO2004 in the new car. It worked pretty well but without mounting hardware I had to get creative. I found some 1/2” long ¼-20 machine screws with thin flat heads at a hardware store. I then took the outer metal case off and drilled a set of holes in it, putting the machine screws in the case with the thread sticking out. Then the case went back on to the radio. With a little effort the case with the screws went back on, and the pressure kept them in place. While somewhat inelegant it did the job. It allowed me to mount that big PRO2004 under the dash.

Soon thereafter Radio Shack came out with the PRO2005. This was much smaller that the 2004 with the same functionality. I was able to get one of the first around due to a friend who worked at one of the local Radio Shack stores and discovered that it fit perfectly between the glovebox and ashtray (by then a tollway change drawer as I quit smoking at the behest of a girlfriend) and the grey case matched the interior of the car perfectly.

This got mounted under the dashboard by use of a couple small angle brackets and 4 very short sheet metal screws screwed thru the plastic shell and into the metal interior frame of the radio. It was an elegant installation, and that PRO2005 lived in that car for the 5 years I owned it.

I also had several UHF and VHF mobile radios and other scanners in that car over the years. I started out with a Motorola Micor that I assembled from hamfest finds to use on GMRS. The radio itself was a 100-watt UHF (460 MHz.) 4-channel job. I set up a series of accessories such as an Alternate Control Head, DTMF, Scan, Multi-PL, Talk-around and even a voice-inversion board. All these were in a 4-box control head. I spent dozens of hours with a Motorola manual getting that setup wired to the control cable, it really was a labor of love. There was a local guy we called “Mr. Micor” who provided a lot of help. He got that radio tuned to 467 MHz. and transmitting at about 130 watts, about 120 on talk-around. The Celebrity actually had a police package available at the time so I was able to replace the alternator with the one that would have come with that package, so I had no problem running that high-powered Micor.

I also had a BC760XLT scanner that supplemented the PRO2005, and all this fit fine in the area between the front seats.

I ran across some other GMRS guys from Chicago and one guy coveted that Micor of mine. He had a set of TAD M8’s, one UHF and the other VHF. These were 99-channel programmable 50-watt mobile radios that covered 140-175 MHz. on the VHF radio and 440-512 on the UHF. They were Part 90 Type Accepted so I could use them on my work channels as well as GMRS and ham. I traded him the Micor for the two TAD’s and we both went home happy. Those TADs worked great in that Celebrity for the several more years I owned it.

The Celebrity was the car I first used NMO’s on. I drilled 3, one in the center rear roof and 2 on the trunk lid. I have not looked back since, every car I have had has had several NMO’s. I found a batch of 30 or 40 Motorola NMO assemblies at a hamfest and bought the whole batch for $100. These were the ones with the white nylon coated coax and Mini-UHF connectors. I used these on every car I owned until I finally ran out after I moved to Arizona 25 years later.

After I met my wife, I discovered how comfortable a mini-van was. I have no idea why they appealed to me other than they were easy to get in and out of. Cars were less so for a guy who was as tall as me and with knees tore up from baseball and other activity. Since then (around 1990ish) I have had either a minivan or an SUV. The first was a Ford Aerostar, I installed the two TAD’s and the 760 in that beast. I then had a Ford Explorer for a couple years; I traded that in 2 weeks before the rollover story broke so was able to get a decent trade-in value. Had I waited I wouldn’t have been able to give it away. Next was a Ford Windstar, a whole lot better than that old Aerostar! After a couple years I bought a Ford Expedition. This was the most expensive car I had ever bought, it cost more than half of what I paid for my house at the time. I did drill some NMO’s into it however, but I did it without telling the wife as I was afraid she would say no.

Eventually I sold off the TAD’s and was using a Kenwood dual-band ham rig. I started to drift away from GMRS but before I did, I had a couple Motorola Spectra’s (VHF and UHF) and even a UHF Moxy. I usually had a scanner or two, a VHF and UHF mobile radio (GM300’s replaced the Spectra’s and then CDM1250’s), and the Kenwood dual bander. The scanners eventually morphed into BC780XLT’s and 796’s, often supplemented by a 2006 or 760XLT. Later BCD996’s started to replace the analog scanners. This pattern held true until about 2014 when I was getting ready to retire and move to Arizona. We decided to sell one of our cars as we no longer needed two and we kept the wife’s Honda CRV. By then I had alternated between Honda Odyssey’s and Pilots and installed 3 or 4 NMO’s in each for scanners and two-ways.

In the CRV however the wife forbade me from drilling antenna holes, so I used a couple of those thin mag-mounts. I used an Alinco dual-band for ham and railfanning and a 996XT scanner. This got me by for a year until we made it to our new home in Arizona.

The week we moved we traded that CRV in on a new Pilot. I installed 4 NMO’s on it and built a really nice tray for the rear cargo area similar to that on my prior Pilot. I installed a couple scanners (996’s), my Alinco Dual Bander and the CDM1250’s. The scanners and CDM’s all had remote heads, and I was really happy with that installation while it lasted. It wasn’t long however. 4 months after buying it we got caught in a hailstorm in Colorado that dented every square inch of sheet metal. I had dents inside the other dents. My insurance totaled that car, and I bought a Ford Expedition to replace it. This was a nice truck, while it wasn’t 4WD I wasn’t as stupid as I was years before so wasn’t about to go mudding with it. I did install the radios, by then it was CDM1250’s, a 996XT and probably a BCD536HP. I think there was a HomePatrol in it for a while as well.

A few years later the wife and I were walking around the Phoenix Auto Show. I was out looking at the big trucks and she was wandering around the cars. She texted me to meet her at the Honda display and when I found her standing next to the Honda Odyssey, she pointed into it and said that “this is where your radios will go”. I looked in and she was right! There was a perfect spot to mount several radios between the seats without needing remote heads, the entire radio would fit there. We stopped by the local Honda dealer on the way home and bought a new Odyssey on the spot. I built a little rack for 2 Uniden DIN scanners (996XT and a 536 at the time) as well as my dual-bander (Alinco DR638 then) and had 3 NMO’s installed. I had the antennas installed professionally as I did not want to risk damaging an airbag, AC or other system. Eventually the scanners were replaced by a pair of BCD536HP’s, and the dual-bander became an AT D578UV-III. When I replaced that 2019 Odyssey a year ago with a 2023 model, I merely pulled the rack from the old car and popped it into the new. I used a few Mag-mounts for a couple weeks until I could get the installer out to put in 4 NMO’s, one for each radio and a spare for a handheld or future expansion, this also put all the antennas close enough to the edge so I could take them on and off for the car wash without needing a step ladder.

The radio layout in the Odysseys has not really changed other than swapping out a 996 for a 536 and the Alinco with the Anytone. If you know me, you will be impressed with that!

Probably the most intense mobile installation I ever had was my first Honda Odyssey, a 2005 model. I took out the center console and took a retired Havis console from work to replace it. Some erector set style brackets were used to secure it to the seat bolts and it fit quite nicely. I had a pair of A9 (Systems 9000) Spectra’s (one UHF and one VHF) as well as a Kenwood dual bander, a couple scanners and even a Compaq laptop connected to a Garmin GPS. This was in the days before in-car Nav systems were common, so I used Delorme’s Street Atlas, it worked great! I later built a custom cable for that GPS in order to use it for feeding location info to my Kenwood TMD-700 for APRS as well as a couple Uniden scanners (996XT’s) for automatic system selection. I was able to provide GPS info to several radios and the laptop at the same time with just one GPS receiver.

I suspect I will have the current Honda Odyssey for a long time unless I find another vehicle that I can mount the radios in properly. With the upcoming remote head project I am part of I might be able to go back to all remote heads though, time will tell.
 

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Starting about 1978, I had several 40 Ch CB's in my awful 1977 Dodge Power Wagon. I would cut a hole in the glovebox and shove the radios into it with a big O-ring on each side to keep it in place. Most of those CBs came from the Olsen Electronics store inside of Wonder World in Las Vegas. We would go to Cima Hill and some of the other nearby cities to watch Union Pacific trains. Coming from Vegas, they used to use the monster DD40AX's as leaders and they would fly through town to get speed up to climb Cima.
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My dogs Joe and Blackie would go sometimes, usually when we took my friend John's OJ style Bronco, and we would carry jugs of frozen water and an ice chest with all kinds of stuff in it. Gus is in the middle, and this pic was taken near the end for Joe, who had endless health issues. Blackie would last another year until she was about 14, and then Gus was a solo dog for about 10 years with Orville the cat as his buddy until about 2 years on, when the cat bit him in a sensitive area, and Gus never wanted the cat behind him again.
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When Gus went at 14+, Orville was alive and well. He ran the house when Gus was around, but that would soon change as a couple weeks after Gus checked out, King and Molly arrived. Molly acted as if Orville didn't exist, but King found 26 pound Orville someone to play head games with, even though he was only 8 pounds when we got him. King would soon be larger then Orville was and he loved to mess with his head.
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Sadly, it took Orville a year to figure out King was playing with him, and soon after that, he went sour and was gone.
Back to vehicles...
When I got my Bearcat 210, we started taking it along, at the top of Cima, range was pretty impressive. On the CB, we talked a lot of skip, back to NW ohio/SE Mich a lot. John got a linear for the Bronco and we talked all over the world. One time we took a base antenna, I don't remember what it was and found an old pipe sticking out of the ground to mount it to. John wanted to leave the antenna set up, I told him it wouldn't be there when we came back, but the first time we came back, there it was, but I ended up being right and it was gone the week after. We stuck with big mobile whip antennas after that. When I got rid of the Power Wagon, I went to a '79 Trans Am, with a homemade perch for the CB, and the 210 sat on the dash. In '82, we moved back to the Toledo area, and I didn't own a CB for a while, but had a lot of scanners. For about 3 years, I did most of my listening in the '85 Caravan, which we bought one day after getting Gus, who immediately chewed it up causing about $1000 damage. I had a base CB set up by then, a Washington, but it was soon apparent that any "normal" CB was almost useless living next to the Ohio Turnpike, so I went "rogue" and bought an Icom IC-735, which was a decent radio, when it worked. It was plauged with bad solder joints and had to have joint after joint reheated and reworked. I finally got fed up and replaced the 735 with a Kenwood TS-450SAT, which had great audio. In 1986, I bought an Iroc-Z Camaro, which wasn't really radio friendly, lots of alternator and computer noise until I took it to some place in Columbus and they got rid of 90% of it. In 1988, we got an S10 Blazer, and I put an Icom Ic2300 into it, mostly for rail listening. I used my Bearcat 200/205 XLT for a while, but the battery pack failures annoyed me to the point I sold it off, vowing to never own another radio I couldn't put AA batteries in if needed. For the most part, I have stayed with that plan. a '93 Grand Cherokee replaced the Blazer in '93, and I don't know what scanner I had in it originally, but most of the time I had it, it had a Pro-43 in it, bringing all the joy that radio could give, and it was a lot. Presently in the Challenger, I have the SDS200 in it once in a while, but mostly I use my BC 125AT or one of my Pro-106/PSR500's. Listening to any HF at home is torture with insane noise levels, so one of my portable radios goes with me sometimes. I recently was looking down at my Mahalit DSP2's screen at an odd angle due to the morning sun, and someone called to say I had passed out in my car at the tracks. The cop knocked on the glass and I about jumped out of the car. That's the second time in six months someone has called 911 to say I passed out at the tracks.
 

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Railroads are the history of engineering in the USA writ large. As they foment the movement of water & electricity, not just freight & passengers.

Dad’s family was in Colorado before the civil war. The Moffat Tunnel, and watching the California Zephyr emerge, was quite a pair of sights. His introduction for me in the 1960s of what both represented in congress. (Or the mines along Tennessee Pass).

Radio is one helluva bow-tie to understanding these giant investments in-the-moment.

Thx for the reminiscences.

As to personal vehicles, maybe you’ve missed out on an obvious angle. A manually-shifted Cummins TurboDiesel as Ag, Air, Rail, Truck, Ship and much emergency service relies on diesel.

FWIW, I average 21-MPG with one ton of gear aboard my ‘04 CTD in daily driving. 15-Towing a 35’. Best-built and least expensive vehicle I’ve owned. The scent of diesel is the hallmark of civilization. A very good one.

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Part 1 of 2:

I have had scanners in every car I have owned in the almost 50 years I have been driving as well as my parents’ cars before I got my license. Back in the day I also had CBs, that ended when I graduated to ham and GMRS. In my dad’s car when I was a teenager, he had a CB radio (it was all the rage then) and he even bought one of those weird 8-track scanners made by Bearcat. That weird scanner actually worked pretty well for our local police and fire channels.

We spent many family vacations in Dad’s Buick or Ford Torino, depending on what year it was, and Dad liked to listen to the CB. With crystal scanners however it was hit or miss, if the locals used the same freqs as our hometown departments we were able to hear stuff on the scanner but for the most part it was pretty quiet away from home.

Around home however I spent more time in Mom’s car going to and from school, the mall or wherever suburban kids had to go in the 70’s. I had a Regency 8-channel scanner and a 6-channel Radio Shack CB in her Pinto, then a Plymouth Valiant and later the Ford Granada.

When I was 16, I got my driver’s license. I was relegated to drive my mom’s car at first. I usually had no problem using it in the evenings and parts of the weekends but could get co-opted. My best friend, however, had a car, a 10-year-old Ford Galaxy 500 that of course we outfitted with a CB. He was not much for scanners however, so I usually brought my trusty 4-channel Midland pocket scanner.

Soon after I graduated high school, I got my first car of my own, a beat-up old Chevy Chevelle that had sat in my older sister’s driveway for years. They were happy to get rid of it and after a little work (and a lot of cleaning) we got it to run. Of course I installed whatever CB I had at the time, probably a 23-channel Radio Shack unit. I also added a crystal scanner, an 8-channel Regency.

At the time (late 1970’s and early 1980’s) trunk-lip antennas were the most popular for scanners and CB’s. I liked them as they worked well, were securely fastened and easy to install. Dad liked them as there were no holes to lower the trade-in value. Of course that was not an issue for my 69 Chevy, I would likely have to pay someone to take it away eventually. As radios were not my primary focus in my life at the time I did fine with the trunk-lip antennas.

After I started working full time, I bought a newer used car, this time a 3-year-old Ford Fairmont Futura. This was a sporty looking sedan. My dad liked it and steered me towards is as it had a relatively weak straight-6 (read: slow), the styling of the car made it look like it was going fast but I had to get out and push it to get it out of its own way. In the flatlands of Illinois, it did just fine but there were some hills in Wisconsin that I was afraid of getting a parking ticket while driving uphill in it.

As slow as the car was it really was a good ride for me. It ran well, was affordable on a young dispatcher’s salary and did a great job for me. I was working evenings in the dispatch center, going to community college during the day and a few nights a week doing fire shifts after I finished my EMT and Firefighter certifications. I had graduated to a 20-channel Regency scanner by then and needed the extra channels. I had a half-dozen fire channels for my local area, a bunch of police channels and the local railroads. On my sedan those trunk-lip antennas worked great.

When I graduated from college, I treated myself to my first new car, a 1981 Mustang. With a straight 4 and a 3-speed automatic it wasn’t any faster than the Fairmont, but it looked cool. More importantly my girlfriend liked it, so did my other one. It had less room for radios however, so I bought one of those CB’s where all the controls were in the mic. For a scanner I mounted my 20-channel Regency on the back of the center console. It was difficult to see but it worked just fine. I could usually tell what channel it was by the voice or context anyway. I tried a few other scanners now and then, including a few handhelds and smaller mobile scanners under the dash with this car as well.

After a couple years with this 4-cylinder Mustang my best friend bought a Mustang GT. Well, I had to have one too, so I got one. This thing had a 302 cu. V8, 4 speed stick-shift and was the fastest production car made in America at the time. I got that thing up to 130 MPH a few times and I still had RPMs to spare but the TRX tires I had were only rated to 120. As for radios I just popped in the same ones from the prior car.

For these two Mustangs (and the third that replaced the GT a couple years later) the hatch-back made the regular trunk-lips unusable. The way the hatch opened did not leave enough clearance for the antennas. If I used them on the outer edges, then the antenna stuck out at a weird angle. I made that work for a short scanner antenna by bending the element at the base but eventually that failed as I could never seem to get it threaded just right to properly position it upright. Eventually I found some adjustable hatchback lip-mounts that allowed me to properly orient the antenna when mounted to the side of the hatch.

My third Mustang had a wonky engine computer and would suddenly go into a fit of poor combustion, causing huge clouds of black smoke. The guys with the big pickups these days would love it as it “blew coal” on a regular basis. The problem was that when it did it wouldn’t drive, so I got stuck wherever it decided to smoke out. Ford, to its credit, took it back under the then brand new “Lemon Law”. I only had a couple thousand miles on it after about six months, so they bought it back for only a few hundred dollars less than what I paid.

I then bought a Ford Bronco II. This was my first truck, such as it was. It was 4WD but back then you had to stop and manually lock the front hubs before going into 4WD. I did not spring for the off-road tires, and I quickly found out what a mistake that was.

As for the radios I first used the dreaded Mag-mounts for the CB and scanner as we had a trip to Michigan planned for that week. We were going to take my brother-in-law’s old Chevy Nova since my Mustang was too unreliable. I surprised the BIL when I showed up with my brand new 4WD Monster Truck (well, a little Bronco II anyway) so I didn’t have time to properly mount antennas. For this trip I just stuffed the scanner between the seats and the CB laid on the floor behind the driver, both plugged into the cigar lighter socket. It worked.

We headed off for northern Wisconsin and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in search of Alco’s. For the non-railfans reading this, Alco built locomotives until the late 1960’s, and by the mid 1980’s were rare and highly prized by train nuts like me. Northern Wisconsin and Michigan were hotspots for Alco hunters, so we stalked them often. Some of these railroads also used old Baldwin locomotives, these were even more rare. The scanner was a huge help of course so I bought crystals for the GB&W, C&NW, Soo, MILW, LS&I and E&LS railroads.

I bought the Bronco on Thursday, we left for the North Woods early on Friday morning. We went straight up to Munising, MI where my BIL’s brother lived. He was still working when we arrived, so we decided to head out to a junction outside of town to try to catch the local job switching the interchange. It had rained all week long and what had once been a dirt road to the junction was now a linear mud pit. Not to worry, I have 4WD!

Nowadays I know that 4WD means only that you get stuck further away from home. Back then I thought it meant I could go anywhere, anytime. We headed off the blacktop into the mud and got almost a full hundred yards before we got stuck in the mud. As I was a 4WD driver for almost a full day by then I managed to get that little truck stuck so far down in the mud that we couldn’t even open the doors, we had to climb out the windows.

With crank-up windows (Remember those?) we couldn’t close one window all the way, the driver’s side one was left open partially as my arm wasn’t long nor removable enough to close it any further. Of course it was pouring down rain, cold and windy. I tried to cover the partially open window with my jacket (“Members Only” of course, this was the 80’s after all) held down by some rocks. We then walked the 8 miles into town and met my BIL’s brother at home. We dried off, had some dinner and then went to the local farm store and bought some steel rope and went back to where we left my truck.

(Continued in Part 2 below)

The jacket had blown off and wrapped itself around a nearby tree, leaving the window unblocked, the scanner (My Regency 20-channel pride and joy) was soaked. The CB was lying in a puddle on the floor in the back. We pulled out my little truck with that wire rope and the winch on the F250. $20 in quarters at the local National Pride and the exterior was clean enough. As things dried the smell of burnt mud being baked off the exhaust permeated the upholstery and the interior itself was soggy for the rest of the trip. The CB was toast but surprisingly the scanner still worked. That made what was a bad start to the trip more bearable.

When I got home a few days later I dropped my poor 5-day old truck off at a detail shop and a couple days and a couple hundred dollars later it looked and smelled almost new again. Later on, I joined the JDTDH (Just Drill The Darn Hole) club. I popped in a couple 3/8” antenna mounts, one for a CB and one for a scanner. I hadn’t discovered NMO’s yet. While that old Regency 20-channel crystal scanner still worked it was not practical as a mobile scanner in such a cramped interior. By then I had a BC20/20 scanner as well and discovered that it fit the pocket shelf above the glovebox perfectly. By drilling a couple strategically placed holes I was able to just press-fit it in and it lived there the rest of the time I owned that little truckster.
Ah, those late 70's/early 80's Fox body cars! My dad had a '79 Fairmont wagon with the 4 cyl 2.3 liter engine with a 4 speed stick. It was the first new car he'd had since he was married. That Fairmont was a total dog. I *almost* talked him into swapping the 4 cyl for a worked over small block 302 V8 (a drop in as the V8 was an option on that car) to make it a sleeper.. when he came to his senses about having a 16 year old driving it around. Even now I like the look of those era Mustangs, I saw a '79 Police Interceptor version at the local AutoZone not too long ago.
 

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Ah, those late 70's/early 80's Fox body cars! My dad had a '79 Fairmont wagon with the 4 cyl 2.3 liter engine with a 4 speed stick. It was the first new car he'd had since he was married. That Fairmont was a total dog. I *almost* talked him into swapping the 4 cyl for a worked over small block 302 V8 (a drop in as the V8 was an option on that car) to make it a sleeper.. when he came to his senses about having a 16 year old driving it around. Even now I like the look of those era Mustangs, I saw a '79 Police Interceptor version at the local AutoZone not too long ago.
When I worked at the first police department they had 3 Fairmont Police Packages, basically a 302cu V8 smushed in to the Fox body. Two were detective's cars and the other was the Chief's car. They looked like anything other than police cars so the detectives liked them since they blended in well. They used to park them in the City Hall parking lot so people wouldn't see them in the police parking lot, this helped keep the illusion. It seemed to work well, they made some great arrests sneaking around a fairly small town (40K people) with them. It was really a sleeper in the sedan.

I don't know if they offered the V8 in civilian versions of the car.

As an aside, I found out a couple years in that my car had been a Hertz rental before I owned it. I was taking out the rear seat to pull an antenna cable and found a set of keys on a Hertz fob. They worked in my car and the fob had the last 4 digits of the VIN on it. That got me wondering if there were any shenanigans with the odometer reading. I had a friend who worked for the Secretary of State's office who ran a VIN check and she found out that after Hertz sold it the car was owned by an individual that lived in my area for 6 months and it was then sold to the dealer I bought it from by that person's family, I later found an obituary for the prior owner who apparently dies soon after buying the car from Hertz. The mileage when purchased from Hertz and then the dealer seemed to match up with the second owner only adding a couple thousand.

Little tangent here: In 1979 VIN's had not yet converted over to the standardized 17-character VINs used in North America (and presumably the world) that we have today. I have no idea why but I could still recall today the VIN on my Futura: for decades after selling it. Even today I could recite it: 93T9K110xxx. We had the "VIN Books" at work that decoded VIN's and it was just a year or two after that Ford, GM and the rest converted to the standardized VINs we have to this day.

Going back to my more recent cars, when I traded in my older (2019) Odyssey last year on a newer one I had to drop by the dealer a week or so later to have them put in the fingernail protectors which hadn't been done when they prepped the car. I saw my older van on the delivery stand with the name of the new owners on a sign on the dash. It looked great, they must have detailed it. I noticed that it still had the 3 rubber antenna hole covers I had left it with and suspect the leftover coax was likely still in the headliner where I had cut off the NMO's prior to trading it in.

I have since seen it driving around town twice. While it is just like any other of hundreds of white minivans running around suburbia these days it sticks out for me due to the 3 black round rubber inserts on the roof. While one wouldn't see them from a car driving nearby I can see them from the somewhat higher seating position in my current van. Now my wife is always on the prowl for it, any time she sees a white van in the area she looks for the antenna holes.
 

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When I worked at the first police department they had 3 Fairmont Police Packages, basically a 302cu V8 smushed in to the Fox body. Two were detective's cars and the other was the Chief's car. They looked like anything other than police cars so the detectives liked them since they blended in well. They used to park them in the City Hall parking lot so people wouldn't see them in the police parking lot, this helped keep the illusion. It seemed to work well, they made some great arrests sneaking around a fairly small town (40K people) with them. It was really a sleeper in the sedan.

I don't know if they offered the V8 in civilian versions of the car.

As an aside, I found out a couple years in that my car had been a Hertz rental before I owned it. I was taking out the rear seat to pull an antenna cable and found a set of keys on a Hertz fob. They worked in my car and the fob had the last 4 digits of the VIN on it. That got me wondering if there were any shenanigans with the odometer reading. I had a friend who worked for the Secretary of State's office who ran a VIN check and she found out that after Hertz sold it the car was owned by an individual that lived in my area for 6 months and it was then sold to the dealer I bought it from by that person's family, I later found an obituary for the prior owner who apparently dies soon after buying the car from Hertz. The mileage when purchased from Hertz and then the dealer seemed to match up with the second owner only adding a couple thousand.

Little tangent here: In 1979 VIN's had not yet converted over to the standardized 17-character VINs used in North America (and presumably the world) that we have today. I have no idea why but I could still recall today the VIN on my Futura: for decades after selling it. Even today I could recite it: 93T9K110xxx. We had the "VIN Books" at work that decoded VIN's and it was just a year or two after that Ford, GM and the rest converted to the standardized VINs we have to this day.

Going back to my more recent cars, when I traded in my older (2019) Odyssey last year on a newer one I had to drop by the dealer a week or so later to have them put in the fingernail protectors which hadn't been done when they prepped the car. I saw my older van on the delivery stand with the name of the new owners on a sign on the dash. It looked great, they must have detailed it. I noticed that it still had the 3 rubber antenna hole covers I had left it with and suspect the leftover coax was likely still in the headliner where I had cut off the NMO's prior to trading it in.

I have since seen it driving around town twice. While it is just like any other of hundreds of white minivans running around suburbia these days it sticks out for me due to the 3 black round rubber inserts on the roof. While one wouldn't see them from a car driving nearby I can see them from the somewhat higher seating position in my current van. Now my wife is always on the prowl for it, any time she sees a white van in the area she looks for the antenna holes.
The V8 was an option for the civilian Fairmont, the 5.0 liter 302 ci 140 hp engine. I had proposed to Dad that we acquire a 5 liter from a wreck and give it the treatment : bore the block over, hotter cam, exhaust headers, better carb... And I didn't tell him about the Nitrous that I wanted to add on top of that. I saw one years later - a sedan not a wagon - that had the 5 liter in it. There was not a whole lot of room in the engine bay for it, unlike the 4 cyl.
 

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Most fun car I ever had was a Dodge Diplomat full police package, brand new off the lot. When I went railfanning I could go anywhere, do anything with no looks or questions. No one ever played games, road raged or tailgated me. State troopers would wave. Infiltration's the name of the game. Employees thought I was some big boss from NJ when I shot photos at Rockville Bridge once. I loved that car. 318 was a good engine but underpowered. Cruising was fine but didn't have a lot of giddyap on takeoff.
I had Motorola MX series then. Best railroad receiver I ever had. When I pulled up to a photo spot in the Diplomat and the MX, the looks I got were priceless when the MX received nonstop and their poor scanners didn't break squelch. I got a lot of good photos thanks to that radio.
Poor decisions and no discipline led to social security income only so now it's CCR's. Don't be stupid, kids! Go to trade school. Only APX in my future is a Hamgeek. 🙄🤡 No sob story.. just a warning on what not to do.
 

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I had a white Ford Explorer a long time ago and had similar experiences while railfanning. I had an EJ&E crew come up to me and ask if I was an FRA inspector. No lights, decals or anything; just a couple NMO antennas.
 

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Part 1 of 2:

I have had scanners in every car I have owned in the almost 50 years I have been driving as well as my parents’ cars before I got my license. Back in the day I also had CBs, that ended when I graduated to ham and GMRS. In my dad’s car when I was a teenager, he had a CB radio (it was all the rage then) and he even bought one of those weird 8-track scanners made by Bearcat. That weird scanner actually worked pretty well for our local police and fire channels.

We spent many family vacations in Dad’s Buick or Ford Torino, depending on what year it was, and Dad liked to listen to the CB. With crystal scanners however it was hit or miss, if the locals used the same freqs as our hometown departments we were able to hear stuff on the scanner but for the most part it was pretty quiet away from home.

Around home however I spent more time in Mom’s car going to and from school, the mall or wherever suburban kids had to go in the 70’s. I had a Regency 8-channel scanner and a 6-channel Radio Shack CB in her Pinto, then a Plymouth Valiant and later the Ford Granada.

When I was 16, I got my driver’s license. I was relegated to drive my mom’s car at first. I usually had no problem using it in the evenings and parts of the weekends but could get co-opted. My best friend, however, had a car, a 10-year-old Ford Galaxy 500 that of course we outfitted with a CB. He was not much for scanners however, so I usually brought my trusty 4-channel Midland pocket scanner.

Soon after I graduated high school, I got my first car of my own, a beat-up old Chevy Chevelle that had sat in my older sister’s driveway for years. They were happy to get rid of it and after a little work (and a lot of cleaning) we got it to run. Of course I installed whatever CB I had at the time, probably a 23-channel Radio Shack unit. I also added a crystal scanner, an 8-channel Regency.

At the time (late 1970’s and early 1980’s) trunk-lip antennas were the most popular for scanners and CB’s. I liked them as they worked well, were securely fastened and easy to install. Dad liked them as there were no holes to lower the trade-in value. Of course that was not an issue for my 69 Chevy, I would likely have to pay someone to take it away eventually. As radios were not my primary focus in my life at the time I did fine with the trunk-lip antennas.

After I started working full time, I bought a newer used car, this time a 3-year-old Ford Fairmont Futura. This was a sporty looking sedan. My dad liked it and steered me towards is as it had a relatively weak straight-6 (read: slow), the styling of the car made it look like it was going fast but I had to get out and push it to get it out of its own way. In the flatlands of Illinois, it did just fine but there were some hills in Wisconsin that I was afraid of getting a parking ticket while driving uphill in it.

As slow as the car was it really was a good ride for me. It ran well, was affordable on a young dispatcher’s salary and did a great job for me. I was working evenings in the dispatch center, going to community college during the day and a few nights a week doing fire shifts after I finished my EMT and Firefighter certifications. I had graduated to a 20-channel Regency scanner by then and needed the extra channels. I had a half-dozen fire channels for my local area, a bunch of police channels and the local railroads. On my sedan those trunk-lip antennas worked great.

When I graduated from college, I treated myself to my first new car, a 1981 Mustang. With a straight 4 and a 3-speed automatic it wasn’t any faster than the Fairmont, but it looked cool. More importantly my girlfriend liked it, so did my other one. It had less room for radios however, so I bought one of those CB’s where all the controls were in the mic. For a scanner I mounted my 20-channel Regency on the back of the center console. It was difficult to see but it worked just fine. I could usually tell what channel it was by the voice or context anyway. I tried a few other scanners now and then, including a few handhelds and smaller mobile scanners under the dash with this car as well.

After a couple years with this 4-cylinder Mustang my best friend bought a Mustang GT. Well, I had to have one too, so I got one. This thing had a 302 cu. V8, 4 speed stick-shift and was the fastest production car made in America at the time. I got that thing up to 130 MPH a few times and I still had RPMs to spare but the TRX tires I had were only rated to 120. As for radios I just popped in the same ones from the prior car.

For these two Mustangs (and the third that replaced the GT a couple years later) the hatch-back made the regular trunk-lips unusable. The way the hatch opened did not leave enough clearance for the antennas. If I used them on the outer edges, then the antenna stuck out at a weird angle. I made that work for a short scanner antenna by bending the element at the base but eventually that failed as I could never seem to get it threaded just right to properly position it upright. Eventually I found some adjustable hatchback lip-mounts that allowed me to properly orient the antenna when mounted to the side of the hatch.

My third Mustang had a wonky engine computer and would suddenly go into a fit of poor combustion, causing huge clouds of black smoke. The guys with the big pickups these days would love it as it “blew coal” on a regular basis. The problem was that when it did it wouldn’t drive, so I got stuck wherever it decided to smoke out. Ford, to its credit, took it back under the then brand new “Lemon Law”. I only had a couple thousand miles on it after about six months, so they bought it back for only a few hundred dollars less than what I paid.

I then bought a Ford Bronco II. This was my first truck, such as it was. It was 4WD but back then you had to stop and manually lock the front hubs before going into 4WD. I did not spring for the off-road tires, and I quickly found out what a mistake that was.

As for the radios I first used the dreaded Mag-mounts for the CB and scanner as we had a trip to Michigan planned for that week. We were going to take my brother-in-law’s old Chevy Nova since my Mustang was too unreliable. I surprised the BIL when I showed up with my brand new 4WD Monster Truck (well, a little Bronco II anyway) so I didn’t have time to properly mount antennas. For this trip I just stuffed the scanner between the seats and the CB laid on the floor behind the driver, both plugged into the cigar lighter socket. It worked.

We headed off for northern Wisconsin and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in search of Alco’s. For the non-railfans reading this, Alco built locomotives until the late 1960’s, and by the mid 1980’s were rare and highly prized by train nuts like me. Northern Wisconsin and Michigan were hotspots for Alco hunters, so we stalked them often. Some of these railroads also used old Baldwin locomotives, these were even more rare. The scanner was a huge help of course so I bought crystals for the GB&W, C&NW, Soo, MILW, LS&I and E&LS railroads.

I bought the Bronco on Thursday, we left for the North Woods early on Friday morning. We went straight up to Munising, MI where my BIL’s brother lived. He was still working when we arrived, so we decided to head out to a junction outside of town to try to catch the local job switching the interchange. It had rained all week long and what had once been a dirt road to the junction was now a linear mud pit. Not to worry, I have 4WD!

Nowadays I know that 4WD means only that you get stuck further away from home. Back then I thought it meant I could go anywhere, anytime. We headed off the blacktop into the mud and got almost a full hundred yards before we got stuck in the mud. As I was a 4WD driver for almost a full day by then I managed to get that little truck stuck so far down in the mud that we couldn’t even open the doors, we had to climb out the windows.

With crank-up windows (Remember those?) we couldn’t close one window all the way, the driver’s side one was left open partially as my arm wasn’t long nor removable enough to close it any further. Of course it was pouring down rain, cold and windy. I tried to cover the partially open window with my jacket (“Members Only” of course, this was the 80’s after all) held down by some rocks. We then walked the 8 miles into town and met my BIL’s brother at home. We dried off, had some dinner and then went to the local farm store and bought some steel rope and went back to where we left my truck.

(Continued in Part 2 below)

The jacket had blown off and wrapped itself around a nearby tree, leaving the window unblocked, the scanner (My Regency 20-channel pride and joy) was soaked. The CB was lying in a puddle on the floor in the back. We pulled out my little truck with that wire rope and the winch on the F250. $20 in quarters at the local National Pride and the exterior was clean enough. As things dried the smell of burnt mud being baked off the exhaust permeated the upholstery and the interior itself was soggy for the rest of the trip. The CB was toast but surprisingly the scanner still worked. That made what was a bad start to the trip more bearable.

When I got home a few days later I dropped my poor 5-day old truck off at a detail shop and a couple days and a couple hundred dollars later it looked and smelled almost new again. Later on, I joined the JDTDH (Just Drill The Darn Hole) club. I popped in a couple 3/8” antenna mounts, one for a CB and one for a scanner. I hadn’t discovered NMO’s yet. While that old Regency 20-channel crystal scanner still worked it was not practical as a mobile scanner in such a cramped interior. By then I had a BC20/20 scanner as well and discovered that it fit the pocket shelf above the glovebox perfectly. By drilling a couple strategically placed holes I was able to just press-fit it in and it lived there the rest of the time I owned that little truckster.

I have to ask frequently about the meaning of abbreviations and this is no exception. What does BIL mean? Does it stand for brother-in-law?
 
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