Scanner Tales: What a quandary I am in now! (Model 27 vs NCS-3230)

N9JIG

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If you have been reading this forum and my various Tales recently you would know that I have a lot of scanners in my shack at any given time. I have used a couple different mixers for audio consolidation and recently have been able so source the rare and elusive NCS3230 Multi-RX mixer.

I have seriously considered the Zetron Model 27 as several people here have them and really enjoy them. The main reason I hesitated on the Model 27 was that it didn’t have a headphone jack. That was important to me as I shared my home with my son and daughter in law for the last two years. Now that they have moved to their new house this is no longer an issue for me.

Last month I was able to obtain my NCS-3230, something that I have pined over for decades. It is spotless, looks brand new, and works great. The main issues I have with it is that I use 8 scanners and it works with only (?) 6 and that I need amplified speakers as it just doesn’t punch out enough volume for my old ears.

I have a Behringer Model 1602 mixer in the garage as well, I bought it to replace my larger Model X2222. I didn’t need all the fancy sound tailoring capabilities of the X2222 and the 8u of rack space it demanded. The 1602 did everything I need but at only 1u of space.

Well then, my solution until yesterday was to use the NCS-3230, with a lesser amount of channels but built specifically for what I wanted or the 1602 with the proper channel amount but not as radio-sexy as the NCS-3230. Now the decision gets more confusing!

Yesterday at the local hamfest I found not one but TWO Zetron Model 27’s receiver panels at $10 each. They (according to the seller anyway) supposedly worked and included the rear panel terminal connectors (more on that later!) They looked on decent condition and seemed to be recent pulls from service, with 25-pair phone cables cut about a foot back.

I snapped them up quickly and just handed over my money, not even trying to bargain with the seller. I figured if I could get one to work I could keep the other for parts. If I got both to work I could sell one or give it to a friend. When I got home I set up in the garage and got to work.

The first thing I did was to remove the 12-pin terminal connectors and remove the wires from them. Zetron helpfully has the wiring diagram right on the back of the unit so all I needed to do was to connect to the terminal strips a power source (I used a PowerPole stub I had available) and a couple Mini-plug jumpers for audio inputs.

After connection I grabbed the first handy scanner (my trusty 325) and powered up. All the Mute buttons lit up as I pressed them, a good sign! Both of the audio channels worked fine (Wow, the audio is LOUD!). I then wired up all 8 channels with mini-plug jumpers and the first one worked just fine. The only problem was the right volume knob, it just spun and spun. I popped off the cap and the nut had worked loose, so I reseated it and tightened it down and all was good.

I then tested all 8 channels and unit #1 worked perfectly. I was a happy boy!) I then connected it to the second unit and it worked fine too. I then made a second cable harness and that is where I ran into a snag. Each of the channels except Right C worked fine with the second wiring harness on both units. When connect to the radio the Call Light for that channel come on steady but no audio was passed. I tested the continuity of the connection, double checked that I had the proper pins connected and then swapped the connecters back to the first unit. I was getting stumped.

I then started to compare the harnesses to each other and eventually discovered the issue. The J2 terminal connecter provided was 14 pins, not 12. I was connecting the C-Audio to the wrong pins. I assume that someplace along the way in its service life they lost or damaged the original 12-pin connector and replaced it with a 14-pin one, accounting for the extra pins, something I hadn’t done as I didn’t notice it.

Once I figured that out, I rewired the audio to the proper pins and was then sure to align the connector so that the unused pins were off to the left. Everything worked fine!

I made the harnesses basically plug and play. They have audio cables labeled “L1”, “L2” etc. to plug into radios and a PowerPole connector for the power. This will make it easier to install and use than the NCS-3230.

Now I had 2 working Model 27’s. I called my friend Will, and he asked if he could have one as it would work out perfectly in his shack. He has 4 scanners and several other radios going so this will work out nicely for him. The other one I am going to keep for now and I am considering adding it to my shack at some point, replacing the NCS-3230 (at least for a while).

If I do install it, I have to figure out how. Do I pull the power supply and dual bander out as well as the shelf unit and tuner for the IC7100 and relocate that, get a new, larger cabinet pr perhaps a second cabinet to place on top of the existing one? I can use this as an excuse to tear apart my shack and rebuild it yet again!

I am sort of leaning toward making the 10u cabinet a “Scanner Only” one, with the 8 current scanners, a multicoupler, the Model 27 and a smaller power supply to handle the 8 radios, MC and 27. I could then put the 50A supply and Icom stuff and Anytone to the side. The biggest reason against this idea is that I just spent almost $200 making the custom rack panel for the current configuration. Decisions, decisions!
 

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As my good friend, counselor, and expert on scanning, lifestyle, and politics, Rich has again proven his technical abilities and generosity by ultimately enhancing my ham radio and scanner shack. Your a prints!
 

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Well I was out plane watching today and I was thinking about things and decided to try the Model 27 in my console. Doing so I was able to get rid of all the external speakers so it cleaned up the build quite a bit.

I did have to relocate the power supply outside of the cabinet along with the dual-bander. I was able to keep the shelf unit and tuner for the 7100 (who's control head resides on the desk) in the cabinet as the Model 27 is only a couple inches deep, that left plent of room on the floor of the cabinet for these.

I debated whether to put the Model 27 at the top of the cabinet or the bottom. Ultimately I decided on putting it on the bottom as it allows the radios to be mostly at eye level, and it afforded me the room to put the 7100 parts in the cabinet easily.

It all works great and the volume is spectacular! I will keep the NCS-3230 for now in case I decide to switch back. I still have a Behringer 1602 mixer as well.
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Well I was out plane watching today and I was thinking about things and decided to try the Model 27 in my console. Doing so I was able to get rid of all the external speakers so it cleaned up the build quite a bit.

I did have to relocate the power supply outside of the cabinet along with the dual-bander. I was able to keep the shelf unit and tuner for the 7100 (who's control head resides on the desk) in the cabinet as the Model 27 is only a couple inches deep, that left plent of room on the floor of the cabinet for these.

I debated whether to put the Model 27 at the top of the cabinet or the bottom. Ultimately I decided on putting it on the bottom as it allows the radios to be mostly at eye level, and it afforded me the room to put the 7100 parts in the cabinet easily.

It all works great and the volume is spectacular! I will keep the NCS-3230 for now in case I decide to switch back. I still have a Behringer 1602 mixer as well.
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Handy hint…. the button caps are clear, and come off so you can put a label there. But don’t bother; if you don’t do it just right, you can break the button cap, or worse, break the part underneath which holds the button contacts.

I just use a modern label maker to place labels next to the buttons.
 

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I used my P-Touch with the 47mm (1/2 inch) labels to mark mine. This leaves a smidgen of the label overhanging the bottom of the keycap so I can easily pull it off to change it.

With the normal font a two-line label allows 5 characters per line. Most of my labels have 2 or 3 characters per line so this works out well.
 

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I use a label maker connected to my phone. I cut them to match the button. Never had a problem taking the cap off if you do it carefully.
 

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I use a label maker connected to my phone. I cut them to match the button. Never had a problem taking the cap off if you do it carefully.
No, not as long as you’re careful, but even so they do wear out over time.
 

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Digging this one up after a few months, as I came across it while searching for the NCS-3230 and alternatives to it:

I currently have two of the units. These are (or will be) connected to a bank of R-75s run in tandem with IC-718s (two RX paired to one TRX; two combinations thereof) which will also be run with an NCS-3240. The other 3230 has 2 BCT-15X, 2 BCD-99XT and either two 996P2s or SDS200s tied to it. Haven't made up my mind there.

There are also 6ea Optocoms, R-7000s and PCR-1000s, all controlled by Spectrum Commander running in XP Pro or Win7 VMs. The Optocoms and R-7000s are run in master/slave configuration for high-speed analog scanning and searching. PCRs are each tasked to an amateur band from 6M through 1.2GHz and scan or search frequencies in each. If I wish to record the Optocoms or the PCRs, that can be done via S-C's audio recorder function.

Add four R-71As and two IC-751As to the mix. That gives a total of 12 possible audio sources. I need to be able to trigger a digital audio recorder via voice operated switching, in the manner that the NCS units do. So far, I've looked into multi-channel mixers that support muting and have a Tape Out function driving a voice operated relay like the Bogen VAR1, the Zetron 27 (with mods to bring the L + R channel outputs out to lines which can drive the Bogen) - or perhaps a multi-input voice-activated relay...if such an animal exists. Assume any one or more sources can be used to trigger the operation of the VAR/VOX unit and these should be selectable. Does Zetron or another manufacturer offer such a device?
 
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