Scanning [Nueces County] while driving

jjsmsalas

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Forgive me if this is already asked.
I have the Uniden BCD325P2 with the diamond RH77CA and have it already programmed to my local p25 system, but I want to be able to listen while I drive around town but have encountered quite a few "dead" spots no reception. Especially around traffic lights. What antenna can i use to possibly mount to my truck?

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n1chu

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An optimum setup would include an outside antenna cut (tuned) to the frequencies you listen to. Since the frequencies are on multiple bands, a multiband scanner antenna might be what you would think is needed. But if you are only listening to on or two bands, you might find a mono or dual band antenna that will work for you and possibly save you some money. But the important thing to remember is to get the antenna outside of the vehicle. I’ve used dual band amateur radio antennas and am of the opinion any effort to tune them to the exact frequencies you would be listening to is a waste of time… they work just fine right out of the box. As for an exact choice, I’ll leave that to others as there are many mobile antenna choices to pick from. Any antenna one might suggest will get both positive and negative reviews so I’m not going there. My bottom line is whatever you slap on the outside of your vehicle will work much better than whatever rubber duckie type gain antenna, including yours.
 

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Forgive me if this is already asked.
I have the Uniden BCD325P2 with the diamond RH77CA and have it already programmed to my local p25 system, but I want to be able to listen while I drive around town but have encountered quite a few "dead" spots no reception. Especially around traffic lights. What antenna can i use to possibly mount to my truck?

Thanks
Are you trying to monitor the new system in your area, the Coastal Bend Regional Interoperability System?

I looked at that system some time back, trying to help someone who asked a question down in the Texas Forum. Comparing that system, with the older EDACS system, I'm not convinced that all the sites' information is correct. For example, for the Flour Bluff site, frequency 851.275 is listed as a control channel.
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But 851.275 is also still listed as being used on the Flour Bluff site of the EDACS system.
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It could not be used on both sites at the same time.

In digging around for information in your area, I ran across several licenses, with additional frequencies, that were not accounted for in either system. I suspect that the frequency details for the sites of the newer P25 system are not correctly documented. but I'm obviously out of range to try & help figure out what goes where.

Please post RR database link to system in question so we can make an informed recommendation. If said system is simulcast across multiple cells then more antenna will only make the problem worse
I suspect that you are correct. The 325P2, while a good scanner (I have one as well), is much less effective in dealing with simulcast than are other models. The 436HP/536HP scanners are better than the P2 scanners (325P2 & 996P2). But the SDS100 & SDS200 are the best choice dealing with simulcast.

When you are out moving around in your vehicle, you are going to run across some areas where the 325 will work (it's only dealing with a strong signal from a single sub-site (transmit tower). But in other areas, where the scanner is trying to deal with several different locations, all using the same frequency (which is what a simulcast system uses), the 325 might not work at all. Or, you might hear a transmission that's garbled or cuts in an out as the 325 unsuccessfully tries to handle simulcast problems. See the link to the Wiki page that Whiskey3 included. That is a better description of what you are dealing with. While there are a few work-around tactics that might work in certain cases, those are mostly intended for use from a specific location. Driving around, you're getting a changing signal pattern that the scanner cannot handle. While the sites, as currently shown in the database for the P25 system are not flagged as being simulcast, when looking at the licensing data in the past, it appears that many, if not most, of them should be labeled simulcast. A "better antenna" (one that is more specific for the frequencies you are trying to hear,) is not always a good choice when dealing with a simulcast system.

I would suggest that you request this thread be moved down to the Texas Forum, There are several members in your area that would be more likely to see this in the regional forum. Possibly one of them can help put the pieces together a little better than they appear to be right now. To do that. don't start a new thread. Instead, click on the Report link in the lower left corner of your post, and request that a moderator make the move for you. Also, be sure and confirm exactly which system you are trying to deal with.
 

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I have similar issues with this system and get the best results while mobile to set the attenuator on. I suspect, since AEP is using 850 band also for their telemetry (continuous modulation) that the front end of the radio is getting overloaded. When searching in the 850 range the meter shows maxed out across most of the band.
Currently the only site that may be simulcast is Flour Bluff. There is a a tower on the island near the the national park that is shown to have same frequencies. Don't get down that way often so haven't checked it out. All others are single sites.

For the frequencies being duplicated between the EDACS and P25 a few of the EDACS channels were turned off and used on the P25 system while migration is in progress. Not sure if its better to try and fix database now or wait until migration is completed.
 

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I have similar issues with this system and get the best results while mobile to set the attenuator on. I suspect, since AEP is using 850 band also for their telemetry (continuous modulation) that the front end of the radio is getting overloaded. When searching in the 850 range the meter shows maxed out across most of the band.
Currently the only site that may be simulcast is Flour Bluff. There is a a tower on the island near the the national park that is shown to have same frequencies. Don't get down that way often so haven't checked it out. All others are single sites.

For the frequencies being duplicated between the EDACS and P25 a few of the EDACS channels were turned off and used on the P25 system while migration is in progress. Not sure if its better to try and fix database now or wait until migration is completed.
I would suggest submitting the deleted EDACS system frequencies as you identify them. I know it is still a work in progress, but it's better to keep the remaining frequencies on the EDACS system current. As they delete EDACS frequencies for re-use, are they changing the LCNs of the remaining ones? Or are they leaving them unchanged, so there are vacant LCNs between some frequencies?

As the new system slowly comes together, I would not be surprised to see additional frequencies and possibly more subsites, for a specific site, making it simulcast. Ideally, if someone in the area can periodically run Pro96.com or Unitrunker on sites for the new system, that would help monitor what was moved and/or added.
 

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Thanks everyone for your input. I am still learning all the lingo/language. I uploaded both systems for Nueces County. But deleted all but the police or emergency frequencies. Or I should say what I read and thought were the police/emergency frequencies. I think I may just invest in the SDS100/SDS200 scanners. All I am trying to do is listen to the police and emergency systems in my county. I also wanted to listen to anything happening on Interstate 37 when I travel north from Corpus Christi to San Antonio to visit my kids. I uploaded some frequencies that were labeled for TXDPS but I dont know if that would be what I need for Interstate 37. Then in BEXAR County?! That is another story! lol

Thank you all again for the input. I will continue to read.
 

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Thanks everyone for your input. I am still learning all the lingo/language. I uploaded both systems for Nueces County. But deleted all but the police or emergency frequencies. Or I should say what I read and thought were the police/emergency frequencies. I think I may just invest in the SDS100/SDS200 scanners. All I am trying to do is listen to the police and emergency systems in my county. I also wanted to listen to anything happening on Interstate 37 when I travel north from Corpus Christi to San Antonio to visit my kids. I uploaded some frequencies that were labeled for TXDPS but I dont know if that would be what I need for Interstate 37. Then in BEXAR County?! That is another story! lol

Thank you all again for the input. I will continue to read.
Just to help you out along the way, once you leave Nueces and San Patricio Counties which are on the P25 and EDACS systems, the rest of the counties to Bexar are all VHF analog and P25 conventional and easy to scan. As a matter of fact, Live Oak, Bee, Karnes and Atascosa are all P25 conventional for law enforcement and analog conventional for fire and EMS. Bexar County is spotty for law enforcement, and they are all on the new simulcast AARRS P25 system. Most traffic of the big agencies is now encrypted, and I suspect even the Federal users are using it as the Fed conventional channels in Bexar County outside of the military are dead most of the time. However, you will hear any and all fire departments and they are very active, but also on the AARRS.
 
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