SDRTrunk SDRTrunk RTL-SDR skipping over P25 transmissions

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Already stated I have 2 which is plenty.

I do not use TR or Rdio Scanner but SDRTrunk will play each transmission back to back. Say local PD and EMS are talking at the same time, it will live play the PD call then as soon as the PD call is over then it will switch over to EMS and also play what I missed while listening to PD.

I’ll post screenshots later, but signal is definitely not a problem. I’m well within coverage of my system and receive perfect reception on all other transmissions. If it helps my SDS100 averages an RSSI around -85dbm.
I have not found this to be the case without Trunking Recorder. What @dave3825 and @maus92 said is the behavior I experience with just SDRtrunk.
 

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The sdr dongles have their own gain and ppm settings. Your gain to be to high or too low, and your ppm could be slightly off. Both can cause decoding issues.
Everything is set to auto except the PPM, I have that set to -3.9 as recommended from a YouTube video.
Could you post screenshots of the spectrum for both dongles?
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Dongle with control channel:
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So i see no signal on your waterfall.....control should be active all the time. What are you using for an antenna ?
I'm confused on what you mean by no signal on my waterfall, did you not look at the second image?? there is a control channel active you can see the waterfall is constant.
 

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If your talking about the signal all the way to the right then its not a good signal to me. If its not showing control channel and showing idle its not decoding the channel at all.
 

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If your talking about the signal all the way to the right then its not a good signal to me. If its not showing control channel and showing idle its not decoding the channel at all.
Here's a bigger image, it ALWAYS shows CONTROL active. I'm not sure if you understand.Screenshot 2023-10-02 161742.png
 

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What should I set the gain to? For now I am going to try 296.

Drop it real low. Look at the signal peak and the noise floor. Keep bumping up the gain to where the signal reaches its highest point. The noise floor will also then start to rise at that point. Then just back it off a little.

Also, 3.9 ppm via youtube? I would set the ppm to 0.0 and then turn on auto adjust. It will give you the ppm needed. Then add that value to the ppm box and turn of auto adjust.

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Drop it real low. Look at the signal peak and the noise floor. Keep bumping up the gain to where the signal reaches its highest point. The noise floor will also then start to rise at that point. Then just back it off a little.

Also, 3.9 ppm via youtube? I would set the ppm to 0.0 and then turn on auto adjust. It will give you the ppm needed. Then add that value to the ppm box and turn of auto adjust.

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Roger that, I've done both and will update you with the results.
 

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I'm going to open this thread again looking for any solutions to fix this, over the past couple days it has gotten worse and I'm out of ideas trying to fix this and I'm getting sick of it. I'm open to ANY suggestions.
 

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I'm going to open this thread again looking for any solutions to fix this, over the past couple days it has gotten worse and I'm out of ideas trying to fix this and I'm getting sick of it. I'm open to ANY suggestions.
Try restarting the program or the entire box.
 

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Yea, that PPM adjust should have helped, its clear its visibly off in the above screenshots. Just checking, the modulation should be on LSM if it is not. Other thing I suggest throwing anything out there is testing, User Preferences, Source, Tuner and see if changing it may help
 

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Dom are there any cell towers and/or sites very near you? In my experience that can cause a high noise floor and resultant signal quality issues, which can lead to dropouts. This, in practice can be a frustrating problem to diagnose because the level of received interference can vary a lot, depending on how the cell site is working at a given moment.

If cell site interference is the problem you have a few options, including:
1. Move your antenna(s) a few feet around to try to find the “sweet” spot where your Rx works.
2. Install filtering to restrict reception to the band(s) you want and reduce the cell bands
3. Use.a diretional antenna (such as a yagi) pointed at the tower you want to RX (assuming the cell site isn’t along that path.
4. Use a higher quality receiver with a lower noise floor, like an Airspy (in your case a mini has enough bandwidth)
5. Try OP25 (I have decoded trunked systems under very high cell site noise conditions) with an ordinary dongle, where almost nothing else worked

Depending on the location and site I have successfully done all of the above.
 

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Yea, that PPM adjust should have helped, its clear its visibly off in the above screenshots. Just checking, the modulation should be on LSM if it is not. Other thing I suggest throwing anything out there is testing, User Preferences, Source, Tuner and see if changing it may help
Yeah I just leave the PPM on 0 and turned auto adjust on, haven't touched it.
Dom are there any cell towers and/or sites very near you? In my experience that can cause a high noise floor and resultant signal quality issues, which can lead to dropouts. This, in practice can be a frustrating problem to diagnose because the level of received interference can vary a lot, depending on how the cell site is working at a given moment.

If cell site interference is the problem you have a few options, including:
1. Move your antenna(s) a few feet around to try to find the “sweet” spot where your Rx works.
2. Install filtering to restrict reception to the band(s) you want and reduce the cell bands
3. Use.a diretional antenna (such as a yagi) pointed at the tower you want to RX (assuming the cell site isn’t along that path.
4. Use a higher quality receiver with a lower noise floor, like an Airspy (in your case a mini has enough bandwidth)
5. Try OP25 (I have decoded trunked systems under very high cell site noise conditions) with an ordinary dongle, where almost nothing else worked

Depending on the location and site I have successfully done all of the above.
As far as cell towers, I'm not sure. I made a map showing the closest cell towers to me. Red dots are cell towers, the line is showing my home area to the P25 towers that I'm guessing I would use that are on top of a mountain.
 
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