SDS100 additional digital modes

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Is it possible to have added in the future icom's dstar digital voice ability and Yaesu system fusion C4FM. It would be a great addition to the scanner and big advantage over the others on market and possibly increase your sales.
 

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Is it possible to have added in the future icom's dstar digital voice ability and Yaesu system fusion C4FM. It would be a great addition to the scanner and big advantage over the others on market and possibly increase your sales.

I agree, and I'd pay for those upgrades. I have a multimode amateur repeater, and would very much like to be able to monitor it in all modes (Yaesu Fusion, DMR, DSTAR, P25, and NXDN) that it supports.
 

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I'll get flogged for saying this, but there is just no way enough people would care about purchasing D-Star / YSF / Tetra options for it to even be close to profitable for Uniden to do so.

It's nice to ask, sure. And I bet D-Star / YSF could be done. But I would think that Uniden would have to pay for the privilege of offering them (just like they do for DMR / NXDN), and thus they would need to recuperate that cost by volume sales of the upgrades.

And the volume sales simply would not be there. A non-ham in almost all instances could care less about D-Star / YSF. And only a portion of hams who own SDS100 scanners would care -- I'm one of those hams that would have no interest.

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I'm wondering why those that aren't interested in new modes feel the need to comment. If Uniden adds new modes, they will likely charge an upgrade fee, or if not, it will be free. If you aren't interested, don't buy, or use it.

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Exactly and well said. If you don't want the mode or have no interest then the possible new addition and this post doesn't apply to you. Just ignore it and let others enjoy the ability
 

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I'm wondering why those that aren't interested in new modes feel the need to comment. If Uniden adds new modes, they will likely charge an upgrade fee, or if not, it will be free. If you aren't interested, don't buy, or use it.

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Point is that Uniden (as with most companies) is in the market to make money - if there isn't enough interest to at least cover their expenses, they aren't going to do it. Even then, if all they do is recover the cost they put into it, it wouldn't make sense - better off putting their resources into something more profitable.
 

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I'm wondering why those that aren't interested in new modes feel the need to comment.

Nobody's saying additional modes shouldn't happen. But it's reasonable to comment on why they most likely will not, as that answers the OP's question..
 

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I know this is off topic but does anybody know if there is a computer controlled SDR scanner that can monitor multiple channels/talkgroups at the same time? I would love to be able to use a scanner to monitor Yaesu Fusion, DMR, DSTAR, and NXDN
 
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I'm wondering why those that aren't interested in new modes feel the need to comment. If Uniden adds new modes, they will likely charge an upgrade fee, or if not, it will be free. If you aren't interested, don't buy, or use it.

Because I'd rather have Uniden spend time on modes I *DO* care about! In case you've been under a rock lately the SDS-100 isn't a perfect product. Fix the existing bugs first before wasting time on HAM modes that only a handful of people care about.

HAMs can buy an ICOM D-Star portable or the R30...
 

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Most hams have the ways and means to monitor what they are interested in. If they are into D-star, they'll most likely have a D-star transceiver. While it would be an additional boon to have those modes in a scanner, I don't think the cost handoff would be beneficial to the small percentage of scanner customers who would enjoy those digital modes, and certainly not beneficial to those not interested but paying for it anyway.
 

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I know this is off topic but does anybody know if there is a computer controlled SDR scanner that can monitor multiple channels/talkgroups at the same time? I would love to be able to use a scanner to monitor Yaesu Fusion, DMR, DSTAR, and NXDN

Pi-star will bridge those modes to/from the internet. You'll need a DVMega or Zumspot to run pi-Star. Then you'll need portable radios for final decoding and encoding. I understand that Fusion and DMR use the same encoder, with different metadata. I think Pi-Star will convert fusion to DMR.

Icom IC-R30 will get you DStar and NXDN reception. DMR radios start at $90 for a MD380 all the way up to big money for a Motorola.

As for SDR only solution, no clue. I hope this helps a little.
 

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Because I'd rather have Uniden spend time on modes I *DO* care about! In case you've been under a rock lately the SDS-100 isn't a perfect product. Fix the existing bugs first before wasting time on HAM modes that only a handful of people care about.

HAMs can buy an ICOM D-Star portable or the R30...

No need to get your knickers in a twist about it. I was just making an observation. I never suggested that new modes should come before needed fixes, just that supporting more modes would be better. I didn't go out of my way to suggest that Uniden should stop working on improving the SDS100's performance.

Personally, I own and operate a multimode (MMDVM) amateur radio repeater that supports P25, DMR, DSTAR, and Yaesu Fusion. I'll be updating it shortly to add NXDN, as well. I have a pi-star based hotspot, but it isn't a stand alone solution. You still need radios that support the modes you need to work or monitor. I would love to have one scanner (rather than a truck load of radios) to monitor all the modes on my repeater.

That's my desire, that's all.
 

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Most hams have the ways and means to monitor what they are interested in. If they are into D-star, they'll most likely have a D-star transceiver. While it would be an additional boon to have those modes in a scanner, I don't think the cost handoff would be beneficial to the small percentage of scanner customers who would enjoy those digital modes, and certainly not beneficial to those not interested but paying for it anyway.

Previously (present company not necessary included) many participants on these RR forums made the exact same comments about NXDN, DMR and in particular ProVoice but... Uniden is most certainly listening to it's customers on these groups so by all means let your voices be heard.
 

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Previously (present company not necessary included) many participants on these RR forums made the exact same comments about NXDN, DMR and in particular ProVoice but... Uniden is most certainly listening to it's customers on these groups so by all means let your voices be heard.


OTOH, if Uniden were to add these modes as individual paid upgrades, like they do with DMR, NXDN, and ProVoice, then it would remain a happy medium for all except those who may want to stray to Whistler where all of these modes are included in the price of the radio. Undoubtedly, they won't be able to please everybody.
 

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OTOH, if Uniden were to add these modes as individual paid upgrades, like they do with DMR, NXDN, and ProVoice, then it would remain a happy medium for all except those who may want to stray to Whistler where all of these modes are included in the price of the radio. Undoubtedly, they won't be able to please everybody.


Wholeheartedly agree! These would most likely be, based on past additional digital voice modes be offered as a paid update, and isn’t that really the purpose of offering a software defined scanner anyway? But I should point out you’re only partly correct on Whistler, they don’t offer a ProVoice option and I’m one that needs PV in my area and areas traveled too.


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Ah, you are absolutely correct on the ProVoice option. But, from what I understand (I could be wrong) I hear ProVoice will not be an option for anyone in the very near future. I am not certain if this is true or not, but I do recall reading it here, I do believe. In any case, paid options are the way to go. Passing along every optional cost in a scanner as a predetermined feature will sooner or later be looked upon as a dictatorship to us peasants in the field ;)
 

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Ah, you are absolutely correct on the ProVoice option. But, from what I understand (I could be wrong) I hear ProVoice will not be an option for anyone in the very near future. I am not certain if this is true or not, but I do recall reading it here, I do believe. In any case, paid options are the way to go. Passing along every optional cost in a scanner as a predetermined feature will sooner or later be looked upon as a dictatorship to us peasants in the field ;)



Agreed! As technology matures and companies recoup their R&D investments into those paid options I have no doubts that those will become included features. PV is on its way out, EOL is on the radar screen but there are still many an agency using it till they build out new P-25 solutions.


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