SDS100 Prerelease Discussion

[woodpecker]

The answer is to program the frequency as DMR One Frequency. Then, lockout the undesired TG.

No that's not the answer, that won't stop custom search hanging forever on a beaconing DMR frequency.

Also there are many channels that share analogue and DMR and without this option no way to stop a conventional channel from hanging indefinitely on a beaconing DMR system.

 

[UPMan]

That would be an issue for any data channel, not just DMR. Hit AVOID or use reverse delay.

For shared channel, they typically use CTCSS or DCS on the conventional side. Program the tone.

 

[Soundman]

Do we need to have all the stupped add on .All I lison to is Police Fire and Ems .All the other ones are crap . Most of them are Business none are Police Fire or Ems it just a waste of our money .I never got it for my bcd .Why would I get it for the new on.

 

[UPMan]

You don't need to upgrade to the other modes if you don't want them. Just ignore them. Some (many) people do need or want them.

 

[mule1075]

Do we need to have all the stupped add on .All I lison to is Police Fire and Ems .All the other ones are crap . Most of them are Business none are Police Fire or Ems it just a waste of our money .

In your area that may be true. But some places are using DMR and NXDN for public safety. If you are not interested in DMR or NXDN you're options are simple don't buy the upgrades for those modes.

 

[woodpecker]

That would be an issue for any data channel, not just DMR. Hit AVOID or use reverse delay.

For shared channel, they typically use CTCSS or DCS on the conventional side. Program the tone.

Sorry UPMan but for me you are missing an absolute basic option in the digital scanning world and I don't understand the lack of flexibility, do you think 2 other manufacturers got this wrong and you got it right becuase I don't.

IMHO its a design flaw you are still carrying forward, the Whistler TRX and AOR DV1 have their own faults but at least they won't hang like this.

The wait for my next scanner continues, unfortunately.

 

[jonwienke]

No that's not the answer, that won't stop custom search hanging forever on a beaconing DMR frequency.

Negative Delay setting for search will solve that.

Also there are many channels that share analogue and DMR and without this option no way to stop a conventional channel from hanging indefinitely on a beaconing DMR system.

Yes there is. Program the tone or DCS code for a conventional channel, and it will not hang on digital. Program the frequency as part of a digital trunked system, and any analog transmissions on that frequency will be ignored while scanning that system.

 

[JASII]

Wow, there are so many posts here I don't know if this has been discussed already and it might be difficult to find with a search. Will the SDS100 program just like the Uniden Bearcat BCD436HP?

 

[scan-pa]

Wow, there are so many posts here I don't know if this has been discussed already and it might be difficult to find with a search. Will the SDS100 program just like the Uniden Bearcat BCD436HP?

Yes

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[jonwienke]

Wow, there are so many posts here I don't know if this has been discussed already and it might be difficult to find with a search. Will the SDS100 program just like the Uniden Bearcat BCD436HP?

Upman is currently using the x36 version of Sentinel to program his SDS100. There are currently a few incompatibilities with the screen color settings and suchlike, but that should be fixed with a new version of Sentinel by the time the SDS100 becomes available.

 

[woodpecker]

Negative Delay setting for search will solve that.



Yes there is. Program the tone or DCS code for a conventional channel, and it will not hang on digital. Program the frequency as part of a digital trunked system, and any analog transmissions on that frequency will be ignored while scanning that system.

Negative delay does not solve it, it just continues after a set delay time, not a delay time with no audio, negative delay is the "botch" answer as you well know.

Not all analogue systems use a tone or DCS and that doesn't help in any way when searching.

Its a basic feature that's missing, the TRX scanners don't suffer with this, the AOR DV1 doesn't, my MD380 doesn't, my Moto SL4000 TRBO radio doesn't, my CS580 doesn't, its only Uniden that have missed this important option out and are continuing to do so.

The trouble with Uniden is they are still trying to use the old fashioned way of detecting the carrier ratther than the digital content, I was hoping ths SDS was a move forward but I'm not so sure, it feels more and more like a re-packaged 436 with *maybe* the final few kHz digitised so it can be called an SDR.

 

[ur20v]

As the saying goes, "I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you." RTFM.

 

[prc117f]

*Paid Upgrade for 6 different voice formats ��

"Upgrade might not be available upon initial release." ...... fool me once Uniden.....

I wont be the first to buy. I will wait and see what the initial paying beta testers report. I did not buy into the last generation of units based on all the issues and lack of LSM capability.

I will wait and see what works and does not work. does LSM really work? etc..

 

[prc117f]

Only 3 upgrades for 8 additional voice formats:
* DMR: MOTOTRBO Capacity+, Connect +, DMR Tier III, Hytera XPT, Single-Channel DMR (5)
* EDACS Provoice (1)
* NXDN 4800 and 9600 (2)

Plans on selling an unlocked unit out of the box? I dont want to have to mess around calling techsuppot and entering keys etc.. to get something working.

I prefer to just pay upfront and just be able to turn it on and program.

 

[Ensnared]

Cool

I don't give a rip if it lights cigarettes, as long as it handles decoding better than other models. Time will tell, I am sure. At least Uniden possesses "forward-thinking" instead of attempting to regurgitate old technology with a new brand name.

Hell, I think it is pretty! The look reminds me of a Unication G5.

I haven't decided which body part to put up for sale yet.

 

[prc117f]

Nope, I think I'm done. I already spent $20 on an SDR that does the same a few years ago. What sticks in my craw, however, is the investment into the x36 scanners that are apparently being abandoned. Not going through that again at double the price.

How so? Your scanner works for what you purchased it right?

Now if you bought it for LSM and it fails then I can see why you would be upset, but then you should never have bought it if it does not work properly for LSM.

Thats why I avoided the x36 line of scanners when I saw they were not capable and went the Unication route.

 

[Ensnared]

I suppose this little feller can scan more than one system at a time. I thought the dongle route involved only one system at a time. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[jason51]

Programming of SDS

If programming is being done now on Seninel and future upgrades are coming to sentinel, does that mean that I can swap Cards between the SDS and 436? Or use the same programming info for my 436 for the new SDS and just add screen customization? I have many hours in the 436 and would hate to redo it all. If I am super excited about the SDS and hope to be able to purchase soon!

 

[phask]

No need to "swap cards". just write to the new one, or a friend's new one, or old one. Sentinel will write too as many as you are able to plug in.

If programming is being done now on Seninel and future upgrades are coming to sentinel, does that mean that I can swap Cards between the SDS and 436? Or use the same programming info for my 436 for the new SDS and just add screen customization? I have many hours in the 436 and would hate to redo it all. If I am super excited about the SDS and hope to be able to purchase soon!

 

[prc117f]

So far, in multiple environments on multiple systems, the SDS100 has performed as good or better than either Unication pagers or duty radios, sitting side by side.

Great news, so I guess this new model does not use the old discriminator tap attempt anymore.