SDS100 Prerelease Discussion

[harryshute]

Plans on selling an unlocked unit out of the box? I dont want to have to mess around calling techsuppot and entering keys etc.. to get something working.

I prefer to just pay upfront and just be able to turn it on and program.

You could order from ScannerMaster and have them add all you want. But it will cost you but you won't have to enter the keys.

 

[03msc]

Plans on selling an unlocked unit out of the box? I dont want to have to mess around calling techsuppot and entering keys etc.. to get something working.

I prefer to just pay upfront and just be able to turn it on and program.

It will likely work just like the x36 ones do. There might be a retailer that will sell them with these upgrades but they'd likely charge a fee to do it and that's no fun. It isn't that difficult and you need the keys tied to your my.uniden account anyway. Makes sense to have the user do them if/when they want them. Buy the scanner, when you get it just do the upgrades then and be done with it. Easy.

 

[jonwienke]

No. Go back and read the first post. The SDS100 uses the same type I/Q demodulator as the Unication or pro radios.

 

[ecarvalho]

Sounds like SDS100 will have competition from AOR. The AOR-DV10.
https://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/widerxvr/0410.html

http://qrznow.com/aor-ar-dv10-100-khz-1300-mhz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVH8EtPr3nE


I'm tempted to buy them both Uniden and AOR to compare both units side by side once they are available.
AOR has some other modes such as D-star and Fusion ... but I like the Uniden color display better.

 

[wx5uif]

I'm fairly certain though that the AOR doesn't do any type of trunking. That for me is a deal breaker.

 

[ecarvalho]

I'm fairly certain though that the AOR doesn't do any type of trunking. That for me is a deal breaker.

Sounds like that, indeed... seems to be more useful for HAMs because of D-Star, Fusion and Alinco modes but Im still curious about their APCO25 phase II decoding.

 

[SteveSimpkin]

Sounds like SDS100 will have competition from AOR. The AOR-DV10.
I'm tempted to buy them both Uniden and AOR to compare both units side by side once they are available.
AOR has some other modes such as D-star and Fusion ... but I like the Uniden color display better.

Competition, perhaps, but they are very different products. As has been mentioned, the AOR AR-DV10B is a wideband communications receiver, not a scanner. Not only will it likely not track trunking systems, communication receivers typically have fewer "channels' than a scanner. For example the AOR AR-DV1B desktop model only has 2000 channels which is many times less than a typical scanner. There is also channel scanning speed. The AOR AR-DV1B scans at around 30 channels/second compared to 85 channels/second for the Uniden BCD436HP. Many of the features common in a scanner are also missing. We also do not know if it will work well with LSM P25 simulcast systems.

And then there is the price and avaiability. The only site that I saw listing a pending price for the DV10B shows it at 1,115 euros which is $1,377 US. This product was announced in Sept 2017 but I still do not see a firm release date (perhaps May 2018?).

If you need a handheld wideband communications receiver, the AR-DV10B will be hard to beat. It has a really wide receiver frequency range. It receives most common digital modes plus AM, FM, SSB, SAM and CW.
On the other hand if you need a scanner, the AR-DV10B will likely not be the best choice.

 

[ecarvalho]

Competition, perhaps, but they are very different products. As has been mentioned, the AOR AR-DV10B is a wideband communications receiver, not a scanner. Not only will it likely not track trunking systems, communication receivers typically have fewer "channels' than a scanner. For example the AOR AR-DV1B desktop model only has 2000 channels which is many times less than a typical scanner. There is also channel scanning speed. The AOR AR-DV1B scans at around 30 channels/second compared to 85 channels/second for the Uniden BCD436HP. Many of the features common in a scanner are also missing. We also do not know if it will work well with LSM P25 simulcast systems.

And then there is the price and avaiability. The only site that I saw listing a pending price for the DV10B shows it at 1,115 euros which is $1,377 US. This product was announced in Sept 2017 but I still do not see a firm release date (perhaps May 2018?).

If you need a handheld wideband communications receiver, the AR-DV10B will be hard to beat. It has a really wide receiver frequency range. It receives most common digital modes plus AM, FM, SSB, SAM and CW.
On the other hand if you need a scanner, the AR-DV10B will likely not be the best choice.

Good info Steve thanks! In this case, my best bet is to wait on the SDS-100. It also has a better looking display.

 

[Jay911]

Plans on selling an unlocked unit out of the box? I dont want to have to mess around calling techsuppot and entering keys etc.. to get something working.

I prefer to just pay upfront and just be able to turn it on and program.

You don't need to call tech support to enter a key value in. It's as simple as entering the code exactly as it appears on your computer screen. The user interface for entering letters and numbers might have been a bit complex with the x36 line, but it's not something that should stop you in your tracks.

The user manual for the SDS appears to indicate that they have modified the UI for that part of things anyway - I recall seeing instructions for something that showed using the soft keys to move left and right, instead of 4 and 6.

Having said all that, if there is some reason that you absolutely cannot handle entering a key value, yes, there are shops like Scanner Master that will do it for you, but you will pay for that work.

does that mean that I can swap Cards between the SDS and 436? Or use the same programming info for my 436 for the new SDS and just add screen customization? I have many hours in the 436 and would hate to redo it all.

Even if it uses a completely separate version of Sentinel, there's no reason you would have to redo it all. You can export from one version of Sentinel and import that into another. I do this all the time between my HP-1's and my x36's. I maintain the one set of favorites lists on my x36 Sentinel, export them, and then import them into HP Sentinel.

I can't speak to whether or not you could swap the cards between the x36 and the SDS, but it would not work between the HP and the x36 as the file/folder structure is different. Even if you did get it to work, if you're swapping cards between two radios, that means one radio can't be used while its card is in the other radio. Just buy a bunch of cards and program them all for each different radio and use the import/export feature (If necessary) to keep your FLs the same across models.

 

[milcom_chaser]

You don't need to call tech support to enter a key value in. It's as simple as entering the code exactly as it appears on your computer screen. The user interface for entering letters and numbers might have been a bit complex with the x36 line, but it's not something that should stop you in your tracks.

The user manual for the SDS appears to indicate that they have modified the UI for that part of things anyway - I recall seeing instructions for something that showed using the soft keys to move left and right, instead of 4 and 6.

Having said all that, if there is some reason that you absolutely cannot handle entering a key value, yes, there are shops like Scanner Master that will do it for you, but you will pay for that work.



Even if it uses a completely separate version of Sentinel, there's no reason you would have to redo it all. You can export from one version of Sentinel and import that into another. I do this all the time between my HP-1's and my x36's. I maintain the one set of favorites lists on my x36 Sentinel, export them, and then import them into HP Sentinel.

I can't speak to whether or not you could swap the cards between the x36 and the SDS, but it would not work between the HP and the x36 as the file/folder structure is different. Even if you did get it to work, if you're swapping cards between two radios, that means one radio can't be used while its card is in the other radio. Just buy a bunch of cards and program them all for each different radio and use the import/export feature (If necessary) to keep your FLs the same across models.

Would be cool if you could just cut n paste the key from your myuniden account
into the Sentinel programming software, and it uploads to the SDS100.

 

[ur20v]

And then there is the price and avaiability. The only site that I saw listing a pending price for the DV10B shows it at 1,115 euros which is $1,377 US.

Careful exchanging European or UK prices for US dollars. Rarely do the prices of anything equal their counterparts across the pond. Often the same item selling for £999 in the UK will sell for $1000 here (while the exchange rate would imply it should sell for $1413).

 

[UPMan]

Duty rates can affect final price, as can in-country overhead (i.e. paying for sales, administrative, and support personnel), shipping costs, corporate tax rates, and more.

 

[hiegtx]

Would be cool if you could just cut n paste the key from your myuniden account
into the Sentinel programming software, and it uploads to the SDS100.

That would be handy. Like adding an "Upgrade Loader" function, just as there is a Firmware Update option already.

 

[WX4JCW]

Negative delay does not solve it, it just continues after a set delay time, not a delay time with no audio, negative delay is the "botch" answer as you well know.



Not all analogue systems use a tone or DCS and that doesn't help in any way when searching.



Its a basic feature that's missing, the TRX scanners don't suffer with this, the AOR DV1 doesn't, my MD380 doesn't, my Moto SL4000 TRBO radio doesn't, my CS580 doesn't, its only Uniden that have missed this important option out and are continuing to do so.



The trouble with Uniden is they are still trying to use the old fashioned way of detecting the carrier ratther than the digital content, I was hoping ths SDS was a move forward but I'm not so sure, it feels more and more like a re-packaged 436 with *maybe* the final few kHz digitised so it can be called an SDR.

I’ve finally found out what I’ve been missing my entire life, that missing basic feature, darn it how did I get this far in life


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Jason WX4JCW
Unication G4, BCD536HP

 

[WX4JCW]

Plans on selling an unlocked unit out of the box? I dont want to have to mess around calling techsuppot and entering keys etc.. to get something working.



I prefer to just pay upfront and just be able to turn it on and program.

Scanner master will sell them that way I believe


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Jason WX4JCW
Unication G4, BCD536HP

 

[INDY72]

Upman is currently using the x36 version of Sentinel to program his SDS100. There are currently a few incompatibilities with the screen color settings and suchlike, but that should be fixed with a new version of Sentinel by the time the SDS100 becomes available.

And that will be nice if Uniden can ACTUALLY have the extra things they promise ACTUALLY ready when the unit is out on the sales floor!

You say it will do so and so better have the so and so ready for it. Siren app and UHF issues due to poor QA in the motherboard department, clock issues, poor backlight.... Hope you guys learned some things this time.

 

[EMTJD]

My 436 picks up everything in my area that I want to hear. I seldom use it on the road. I think I'll wait.

Nobody in MY area (Los Angeles, CA and surrounding counties) uses DMR, NXDN, and such. I don’t care about listening to those ham repeaters that do, but no police, fire or EMS agency I listen to uses them, or is planning to.

 

[racin06]

The SDS-100 will be worth every penny of it's $700 price tag if it can successfully scan P25 sumulcast systems. I can't wait to pay my $700!

 

[marksmith]

The SDS-100 will be worth every penny of it's $700 price tag if it can successfully scan P25 sumulcast systems. I can't wait to pay my $700!

I would have to agree.

Mark
536/436/ws1095/996p2/996xt/325p2/396xt/psr800/396t/HP-1/HP-2 & others

 

[UPMan]

The trouble with Uniden is they are still trying to use the old fashioned way of detecting the carrier ratther than the digital content, I was hoping ths SDS was a move forward but I'm not so sure, it feels more and more like a re-packaged 436 with *maybe* the final few kHz digitised so it can be called an SDR.

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