SDS200: SDS200 slower than SDS100?

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I recently got an SDS200 as a gift and I noticed that when put side by side with my SDS100 it seems to be much slower. It seems to take about two or three seconds longer to load favorites lists using the exact same programming and SD card, and the scan cycle is about a second longer (5 seconds vs 4 on my SDS100). I'm scanning primarily conventional stuff and the speed is kind of important, and I know that the SDS scanners are slow on conventional than say a 436HP, but I was wondering if there's a way to speed up the SDS200 or if anyone else is having the same issue.
 

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Check that you have the same priorities enabled as those will interrupt scan and do its thing and after that will let the scan continue. If scan time where the same it could be the SD card interface that works differently and that can be checked when the scanner works as a mass storage device, when you program or read it, and see if the write and read times are the same.

Product manufactures always tries to reduce costs and after a while they check the design if they can remove components or replace them with cheaper alternatives to reduce production cost. BCD436 had several changes done over time with 3 or 4 different circuit board designs and had components removed including one important filter capacitor for a data signal that then created interference in the 400MHz band that wasn't noticed when tested with a signal generator or an external antenna some distance away from its CPU circuits.

It could be a cost reduction design change to the SDS200 that have made it slower, so it have to be verified with newer SDS200's. The first 3 digits in the serial number are the model number and then comes the manufacturing plant and following that are the manufacturing date and the last 6 digits are the serial number for that production batch.

There's lots of internal spurious signals in SDS scanners that the scanning process will hesitate at. The lower in frequency the more hesitation and slower scan speed you will get. It's less problems in the 700-900MHz range and if you set the squelch to max it will not detect much of the interferences. Set a 20MHz search range in the 800Mhz band and compare both scanners. Search are done at full speed, some 80ch/s, and to get the scan speed, that will be half of that, you will have to create a scan list with a lot of frequencies. In ARC536 it's easy to create those lists and I guess ProScan can do the same.

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I recently got an SDS200 as a gift and I noticed that when put side by side with my SDS100 it seems to be much slower. It seems to take about two or three seconds longer to load favorites lists using the exact same programming and SD card, and the scan cycle is about a second longer (5 seconds vs 4 on my SDS100). I'm scanning primarily conventional stuff and the speed is kind of important, and I know that the SDS scanners are slow on conventional than say a 436HP, but I was wondering if there's a way to speed up the SDS200 or if anyone else is having the same issue.
Could also be differences in squelch settings, filters and IF settings.

Difference in the exact power supply voltage can also affect reception slightly.
 

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There's no difference in the programming. I already mentioned in my previous post that I took the SD card out of my SDS100 and put it in the 200 with the same results as programming a new one in sentinel. The squelch is the same, and there's no filter differences since it's the same card.

Cost reduction is possible but without an earlier production model to test it with I can't be sure. My serial goes 384Z28, but I'm unsure if the Z is just a separator or the mfg plant you were talking about.

Either way, the difference is mildly annoying but I would like to retain the same speed.
 

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Changing modulation to FM from NFM, utilization of filters either Global Setting or by departments. SDS200 might be a little more sensitive due to hardware revisons, firmware updates etc. A second isn't an issue for most of us, but you might have to live with it if you can't resolve it. I monitor a mix of all types of systems across all my SDS200's so have some experience with tweaking settings.

A firmware update is in beta testers hands right now, so it's possible that might be addressed? Also confirm the latest public release firmwares are in both scanners.
 
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There's no difference in the programming. I already mentioned in my previous post that I took the SD card out of my SDS100 and put it in the 200 with the same results as programming a new one in sentinel. The squelch is the same, and there's no filter differences since it's the same card.

Cost reduction is possible but without an earlier production model to test it with I can't be sure. My serial goes 384Z28, but I'm unsure if the Z is just a separator or the mfg plant you were talking about.

Either way, the difference is mildly annoying but I would like to retain the same speed.
I know you've said the programming is identical, along with the squelch settings.

Are you using basically the same antenna on each scanner? What I'm wondering is if you have some sites that are more distant, and the SDS100 is not picking them up. But, at least for me, my SDS200 seems to be a bit more sensitive than the SDS100. What I'm wondering is if a more distant (or weaker signal) site is ignored by the SDS100, but the signal (or perhaps a different antenna) is giving the SDS200 enough to try & decode the control channel. The SDS scanners take longer to decode a site than the other models (such as one of the x36HP models), so could the SDS200 be trying to hear a weaker site signal, that the SDS100 simply ignores? That's a wild guess on my part, and maybe not a real factor.
 

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You test scan speed without any signal from the antenna. The SDS100 being a portable has a design that are a compromise to fit everything in a small format. Different circuits will interact more easily with each other compared to a mobile SDS200 and should perform slightly worse when it comes to internal interferences, but now it is the other way around, that the SDS200 scans slower.

It would be interesting to see in what time it scans 1000 channels.

I messed up on the serial#. For the serial# when counting from the last digit the last 6 are the sequential production number for that year and the digit prior to that are the manufacturing plant 8=Vietnam. The digit to the left of that are the last digit in the year, a 2 indicates 2022. The first 3 digits are the model number and then usually follows Z60 or 260 prior to the year code. The non US models seem to have replaced 260 with 010 or 020.

My SDS100E 38301088xxxxxx 2018 Vietnam
UBC3600(BCD436) 37602078xxxxxx 2018 Vietnam
BCD536 37526068xxxxxx 2016 Vietnam
BCT15 33626064xxxxxx 2006 China
HP1 36326004xxxxxx 2010 China

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I know you've said the programming is identical, along with the squelch settings.

Are you using basically the same antenna on each scanner?...so could the SDS200 be trying to hear a weaker site signal, that the SDS100 simply ignores?
I'm using the stock antenna that comes with the scanners and I only have one trunking site (WISCOM site 63) that it actually needs to sit on, and that is receivable by both scanners. The only other trunking system I have enabled is DPC, although that doesn't broadcast continuously and only does the rest channel burst. The rest are all conventional channels and would unsquelch if there was a signal present.

It's probably something of how the scanner just is, and it's not too big of a deal.
 

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@werinshades

1. How do you know this? I must have missed this important bit of news.

2. Are both SDS models in beta test?
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Brief mention of it here:

There are more good things coming down the pike. Some I can talk about and some I can't (yet). A couple I can talk about are a new/revised QC department and new SDS firmware currently in beta test. This is not the major firmware we are all expecting, but is the tip of the iceberg.
 

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Firmware upgrades would be a plus, but that has been a long time coming too.

Yes. It is in beta testing currently. (to clarify, the decoding improvement)

Based on early results probably not. If some issues arise, that may be possible. So far it's very smooth and very favorable (which is to say no negative feedback yet). But let's stick to the new model discussion on this thread. I will post another with the firmware topic.

@werinshades

1. How do you know this? I must have missed this important bit of news.

2. Are both SDS models in beta test?
This thread..
 

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A firmware update is in beta testers hands right now, so it's possible that might be addressed? Also confirm the latest public release firmwares are in both scanners.
Yes oh yes & wow!! That is great news to finally be seeing posted here if this is actually true Uniden? It's about darn time that we your Customers of the SDS Series Uniden Scanners, are finally and maybe going to receive a new Firmware Update with bug fixes & or Improvements for the SDS Series line of Uniden Scanners after waiting much anticipated time with much patience and big Money spent for these Uniden SDS Models. Hopefully more Firmware Updates for them & more frequently released Firmware Updates to come in the upcoming future? Fingers crossed!
 

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I don’t find this to be the case. SDS100 and SDS200, both connected to same external antenna through a multi-coupler, both with same programming, perform same (same quality, same scan speed). But could be I just got lucky.
I need a multi-coupler in my shack! Could you please let me know which one you are using? Thanks, KM6U
 

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Yes oh yes & wow!! That is great news to finally be seeing posted here if this is actually true Uniden? It's about darn time that we your Customers of the SDS Series Uniden Scanners, are finally and maybe going to receive a new Firmware Update with bug fixes & or Improvements for the SDS Series line of Uniden Scanners after waiting much anticipated time with much patience and big Money spent for these Uniden SDS Models. Hopefully more Firmware Updates for them & more frequently released Firmware Updates to come in the upcoming future? Fingers crossed!

Last update was about 1 year ago. this one currently has no release date. Engineering is working on an obscure issue that caused TGs to not be heard. It will be released when ready. Hopefully that will not be much longer, and yes I expect many more updates to come.
 

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Are the memory cards the same rate: (e.g. type 10). Some are faster than others.

That is what I am suspecting/wondering. Even if they are the same class, is one used and one new? Perhaps the used one is starting to fail.
 

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The factory card must not be very good if it's starting to fail after only a couple months under normal operations. I've only had my SDS100 since June of this year. Both cards have the same load time in each scanner but when you use them individually in both scanners that same speed goes away, which would point to either my SDS100 is faster than normal, or my SDS200 is slower than normal.

Unfortunately, I don't have another set of SDS scanners to compare them with, and I'm not made of money, so I don't know which one is the right answer.
 
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