SE Wisconsin federal/military wildcards

[jmsanders83]

So, I'm going to try something new. I've recently found renewed interest in federal/military scanning. I've been submitting a lot of new channels to the Wisconsin and Illinois federal databases, but I'm always working through wildcards that I haven't yet identified. Instead of posting a new message every time I find something, I'm going to reply to this thread. Please contribute your own or help me identify what I post here. One of the challenges from my location in Franklin is that I have a great antenna/location which allows me to pick up the Chicago area very well. This is both a good and bad thing. It makes identifying the geography of the signal tough at times. I have my scanner constantly recording hits in the following bands, when I'm not actively listening to other things.
137-144 FM/AM
148-150.5 FM/AM
162-174 FM
225-400 AM
380-420 FM

Here are my current wildcards, yet to be firmly identified:
169.575 NAC156 Mostly encrypted, 99% sure that this is DEA Chicago
170.650 NAC156 DEA Milwaukee or Chicago
171.2625 NAC167 Mostly encrypted. Heard traffic referencing Lake County, IL. 90% sure this is FBI Chicago. (171.9875 NAC167 is definitely FBI Milwaukee and already submitted)
167.3375 NAC167 100% encryption. FBI Milwaukee or Chicago
167.7125 NAC167 100% encryption. FBI Milwaukee or Chicago
169.975 NAC167 Clear more than encrypted. FBI Milwaukee or Chicago.
167.375 NAC001 Unknown. Possible 128th Air Refueling Wing, since 167.750 NAC001 is confirmed 128th Command Post
167.500 NAC001 Unknown. Possible 128th Air Refueling Wing, since 167.750 NAC001 is confirmed 128th Command Post. Known frequency for military use.
164.400 NAC167 Unknown. 164.400 is Secret Service "Papa", but 167 NAC is usually FBI.
162.925 NACC02. Customs and Border Protection/ICE likely due to NAC. Possible input to 163.975 repeater?
164.7375 NACC02. Customs and Border Protection/ICE likely due to NAC. Reference to "G2". Possible channel name?
165.950 NAC011 IRS Milwaukee or Chicago
167.000 NAC011 IRS Milwaukee or Chicago
165.2875 NAC300 and NAC653. Most likely ATF due to frequency, but ATF is normally NAC650
167.125 NACB06 Unknown. Channel has been known to be Land Mgmt or Dept of Interior. B00 is normally ICE, but this is B06...
164.2625 unknown P25, signal not strong enough to catch a NAC
168.0875 unknown P25, signal not strong enough to catch a NAC. freq commonly assigned to DHS, TSA, CBP or FAA
164.8375 unknown P25, signal not strong enough to catch a NAC, freq commonly assigned to Land Mgmt or Fish & Wildlife
149.9375 frequent digital data bursts, sounds like some form of RTTY/digital data

I might also start a weekly thread on all of my military air hits, including frequencies already identified in the DB. We'll see...

-Josh

 

[jmsanders83]

**Updates to previous wildcards**
164.400 NAC167 Also monitored NAC300
164.7375 NACC02 Heard with a reference to G2 again. A company called G2 provides services including security to the aviation industry, and has operations at MKE Airport. Most likely ICE, CBP, or TSA related

**New wildcards**
170.675 NAC167 FBI? encrypted
171.3875 NAC167 FBI? encrypted
172.2875 NAC300 Most likely the input to 173.5875 NAC300 128th Air Refueling Wing Security

**New/Confirmed**
163.9375 NAC167 FBI Milwaukee - input to 171.9875

 

[ecps92]

G-02 is likely Bank G, Channel 02

**Updates to previous wildcards**
164.400 NAC167 Also monitored NAC300
164.7375 NACC02 Heard with a reference to G2 again. A company called G2 provides services including security to the aviation industry, and has operations at MKE Airport. Most likely ICE, CBP, or TSA related

**New wildcards**
170.675 NAC167 FBI? encrypted
171.3875 NAC167 FBI? encrypted
172.2875 NAC300 Most likely the input to 173.5875 NAC300 128th Air Refueling Wing Security

**New/Confirmed**
163.9375 NAC167 FBI Milwaukee - input to 171.9875

 

[wirr]

167.3625 n167 fbi?
170.5625 n156 dea?
170.725 n310 fbi?
173.8625 n156 dea?

 

[jmsanders83]

Wirr,

170.5625 and 173.8625 are confirmed DEA based on unencrypted transmissions and NACs. I submitted them to the WI database a few weeks ago.

I agree that 170.725 is probably FBI. I've monitored NAC310 on 167.5625 several times recently. This 170.725 freq is commonly assigned to FBI.

I also agree 167.3625 is definitely FBI. Common FBI freq.

 

[jmsanders83]

**Confirmed/submitted to WI or IL databases**
170.675 NAC167 FBI Milwaukee
171.3875 NAC167 FBI Milwaukee
171.2625 NAC167 FBI Chicago
169.575 NAC156 DEA Chicago
164.7375 NACC02 ICE/CBP Milwaukee

**New wildcard**
148.475 NACB06 Unknown. Military based on frequency?

**Updates to previous wildcards**
172.2875 NAC300 **Also monitored NACs 001 and 167**
164.400 NAC167 Also monitored NAC300 **Also monitored NAC001**

 

[ecps92]

Are you logging these manually or using Software to Log while unattended ?

164.4000 is $001 USSS
IT certainly looks like you are experiencing Local Overload or Latency with getting that many additional NAC's on many of those frequencies

There are a few that are shared with different users on different NAC's but not as many as you have posted recently...

**Confirmed/submitted to WI or IL databases**

**Updates to previous wildcards**
172.2875 NAC300 **Also monitored NACs 001 and 167**
164.400 NAC167 Also monitored NAC300 **Also monitored NAC001**

 

[ecps92]

Not quite.

170.7250 is assigned regionally and has been seen (P25) in-use by
BP, CBP, ICE, DEA, FBI, FIO and some other unidentified NAC's, from both Coasts

If you regularly are getting the $310 that does seem to tie in with your other FBI Reports.
I've seen/noted that if a Field Office is within Close Proximity to another FO, they do tend to (Not Always) create a unique NAC, outside of $167

Wirr,

This 170.725 freq is commonly assigned to FBI.

 

[jmsanders83]

Bill,

Thanks for the input..You're right, it might not be FBI, but the NAC and frequency combination are leaning that way. I see in the database that other agencies are assigned the frequency too.

Good point about the multiple NACs. I've been queetioning if that is happening. When I receive multiple NACs, it's always "dead air". So what you're saying would make sense. I'll watch it more closely. Local overload could definitely be happening. I have an antenna mounted high in a busy RF area.

I was using Proscan to log, but now I'm using the built-in recording function of the Uniden 536 to avoid running my PC 24/7.

Josh

 

[jmsanders83]

**New wildcards**
142.1875 or 142.185 NACB0D Reference to "Great Lakes". Numerous transmissions, all strong, assuming a repeater. Maybe related to Naval Station Great Lakes in Chicago?

**New/confirmed/submitted to DB**
163.000 NAC156 DEA Milwaukee - input to 170.5625

 

[jmsanders83]

**Updates**
167.500 NAC001 Still thinking this is 128th Air Refueling Wing at MKE Airport, monitored "set point is 35" today

**New wildcards**
170.9375 NAC167 FBI Milwaukee or Chicago?
167.4375 NAC167 FBI Milwaukee or Chicago?
167.5875 NAC167 FBI Milwaukee or Chicago?
170.800 NAC293 US Marshalls Milwaukee or Chicago?

**Confirmed/submitted to DB**
165.950/167.000 NAC011 IRS Milwaukee
150.225 162.2 Civil Air Patrol Guard 1 (already in Nationwide RR database)

 

[jmsanders83]

**Updates**
167.500 NAC001 Still thinking this is 128th Air Refueling Wing - Engineering or Mechanics at MKE Airport. Monitored "set point is 35" "and "work order for door not latching". I want to hear something to confirm this is the 128th before I submit.
168.0875 Caught a NAC of C02 today, so likely to be CBP/ICE

**New wildcards**
416.7625 141.3 Unknown
165.1625 NAC300 Unknown (possible input to 173.5875 128th Air Refueling Wing Security Police (keyed up around same time as 173.5875 and 165.1625 is a common USAF security police frequency)
167.2875 NAC160 (not 167) FBI likely, known Michigan FBI frequency
167.475 NACB06 Unknown

**Confirmed/submitted to DB**
148.150 NAC 4F9 Civil Air Patrol Milwaukee repeater
138.450 AM Wisconsin Air National Guard 115th Fighter Wing - "Hoss" and "Badger" flights - I submitted this several days ago, but admins are working to update the overall Wisconsin military database
260.900 AM Have monitored several NORAD/Huntress flight intercepts recently, some activity has referenced SE Wisconsin in particular.

 

[MarcusDude]

With all of these federal agencies now having P25 capabilities, it's possible that some of them may also have talkgroups on WISCOM. Here are a couple of talkgroups that I logged back in 2013 that I believe belong to federal law enforcement agencies, but have yet to identify:

9011 Fox Valley area (testing, clear and encrypted) (Chilton VHF site)
9015 surveillance in Milwaukee area (Sanburg VHF site)

 

[prowisscan]

The TG 9015 on the WISCOM is DEA which I've heard on both the Milwaukee VHF and Greenfield VHF. This TG started off in the clear but recent traffic is all encrypted. I believe that this replaced the Milwaukee DEA repeater of 418.825.

 

[jmsanders83]

Yes, I believe it is possible that fedgov is using wiscom. Public wiscom docs have indicated this in addition to radio id numbering plans.

I too have heard ops on 9015. 77 is also used frequently for ops I suspect to be of this nature based on radio IDs and content.

It may be DEA, but I can confirm that 170.5625 and 173.8625 are active DEA use in Milwaukee. 99.9% encrypted.

 

[jmsanders83]

**Updates**
167.375 NAC001 has been busy lately with 100% encryption. Based on frequency, NAC, and signal strength, I'm thinking it is 128th Air Refueling Wing. Not sure on use.
167.5625 NAC310 Renewed activity recently. FBI Milwaukee or Chicago.

**New wildcards**
166.550 NAC200 Unknown use. ACoE, BP, DoE, ICE, NPS likely based on NAC.
415.200 NAC201 Federal Protective Service Milwaukee or Chicago.
167.1125 NAC001, almost positive this is the input to 167.500. Will verify.
170.525 NACB06 Unknown use.
414.6125 CSQ lots of automatic morse code identifiers, unknown use.
396.900 AM military air traffic, old CARMA publication indicates this may be used by WI ANG and/or AR640A/B operations.
141.700 AM military air traffic, old CARMA publication indicates this may be 126th (not 128th) Air Refueling Wing out of Scott AFB.

**Confirmed/Submitted to DB**
165.1625 NAC300 is the input to 173.5875 NAC300 128th Air Refueling Wing Security Police.
167.500/? NAC001 is 128th Air Refueling Wing Maintenance/Engineering.
169.575/162.6125 NAC156 is DEA Milwaukee.
142.1875 identified before ended up being a WISCOM frequency for the Rock County, Milton site.

 

[jmsanders83]

**New/Confirmed/Submitted to DB**
163.9875 NAC167 input to 171.3875 FBI Milwaukee
150.225 PL162.2 Civil Air Patrol - Milwaukee area
143.550 PL103.5 Civil Air Patrol - Milwaukee area
139.875 PL173.8 Civil Air Patrol - Milwaukee area
139.875 NAC8CA Civil Air Patrol - Milwaukee area

 

[ecps92]

143.5500 103.5 is the input to the IL Wing R-41 Repeater of 148.1250 from Batavia-Fermi
http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Civil_Air_Patrol

**New/Confirmed/Submitted to DB**
163.9875 NAC167 input to 171.3875 FBI Milwaukee
150.225 PL162.2 Civil Air Patrol - Milwaukee area
143.550 PL103.5 Civil Air Patrol - Milwaukee area
139.875 PL173.8 Civil Air Patrol - Milwaukee area
139.875 NAC8CA Civil Air Patrol - Milwaukee area

 

[jmsanders83]

Good call. I'll submit a correction.

 

[jmsanders83]

**New/Confirmed/Submitted to DB**

170.8375 BM NAC167 FBI Milwaukee (not a repeater, varying signal strengths)