HT1000 Should I get some HT1000s?

[buddrousa]

After being told the radio does not meet FCC standards for murs you still want it sounds FISHY

 

[thorosaurus]

After being told the radio does not meet FCC standards for murs you still want it sounds FISHY

No we figured out I'll be using it on a business license. Something called itinerant frequencies. But we also kind of figured out that the HT1000s probably aren't the best bang for my buck, and I can't find any information about the voice inversion, so that would make them rather pointless.

 

[MUTNAV]

Aha.... I think I see some misunderstandings....

Just because a radio can transmit on the frequencies you want to transmit on, doesn't make it legal.
The radio has to be authorized, (usually by specific model number) to use those frequencies. In addition to any operating licenses and frequency authorizations that are needed.

This seems to be missing in not just this thread (by some) but in some others as well.

Thanks
Joel

 

[thorosaurus]

Aha.... I think I see some misunderstandings....

Just because a radio can transmit on the frequencies you want to transmit on, doesn't make it legal.
The radio has to be authorized, (usually by specific model number) to use those frequencies. In addition to any operating licenses and frequency authorizations that are needed.

This seems to be missing in not just this thread (by some) but in some others as well.

Thanks
Joel

If I'm operating with a business license, can I not pretty much use anything I want? As long as it's under 6 watts, of course.

 

[MUTNAV]

If I'm operating with a business license, can I not pretty much use anything I want? As long as it's under 6 watts, of course.

No... A transceiver has to be "Type Accepted" for the service it is in, unless your a ham in the ham bands, (then all kinds of cool stuff is possible ...

There are a bunch of threads in radio-reference about "Type acceptance".

 

[thorosaurus]

No... A transceiver has to be "Type Accepted" for the service it is in, unless your a ham in the ham bands, (then all kinds of cool stuff is possible ...

There are a bunch of threads in radio-reference about "Type acceptance".

I've been told by a lot of people that that's not really enforced at the end user level.

 

[buddrousa]

Good luck with your ventures you change stories get aggressive so I am out of here.

 

[chrismol1]

Here another idea, times have changed

a bunch of two way radios that need their own chargers with batteries that last 8 hours shouting into a radio hoping your reaching into a valley is old news

There are now devices you link up to you existing cell phone apps that create their own off grid mesh networks like goTenna

this is only one company there are many more out there with similar devices

 

[thorosaurus]

Good luck with your ventures you change stories get aggressive so I am out of here.

I don't know what you interpreted as aggression, but I can assure you there's nothing of the kind. As for changing stories, my objective remains the same. But now thanks to the replies here I see a better way to get there. You'll have to cut me some slack because I'm learning as I go.

 

[jhooten]

Good luck getting a business license for personal use.

I don't know where you are getting your information. Where ever it is it is going to get you in serious trouble.

 

[thorosaurus]

Good luck getting a business license for personal use.

I don't know where you are getting your information. Where ever it is it is going to get you in serious trouble.

Nope, it's all above board. All they care about is their 200 dollars.

 

[alcahuete]

I didn't even know that encryption was an option on those. I thought that old police surplus was the only avenue for encryption.

Can you encrypt any of the cheaper Yaesus? I would like to avoid Baofeng if possible, as I hear they're super buggy. And I would like for them to be at least somewhat drop and weather resistant.

Didn't mean to disappear there. Had to go to work for the day.

The Anytones are great radios. I've never dropped one or threw one in the lake or anything, but I've definitely had them out in the rain, on boats, etc. They're very good radios, and also are Part 90 certified, for the business bands. They're easy to program with actual modern day computers, etc. Are they Motorolas? Not at all. But they're pretty darn good.

Also, be very careful with the business band license. It is not true that they just want the $200. Just be sure the application is 100% accurate. I actually had one denied for actual business use until I made a bunch of corrections, so they actually do scrutinize the license applications. Not just anyone can go out and get a handful of frequencies just because they want them. So make sure all that stuff is accurate. While you're doing the application, I personally would get a few VHF and a few UHF. Don't just do VHF because you think that's what you might use. Better to have and not need than need and not have.

 

[thorosaurus]

Didn't mean to disappear there. Had to go to work for the day.

The Anytones are great radios. I've never dropped one or threw one in the lake or anything, but I've definitely had them out in the rain, on boats, etc. They're very good radios, and also are Part 90 certified, for the business bands. They're easy to program with actual modern day computers, etc. Are they Motorolas? Not at all. But they're pretty darn good.

Also, be very careful with the business band license. It is not true that they just want the $200. Just be sure the application is 100% accurate. I actually had one denied for actual business use until I made a bunch of corrections, so they actually do scrutinize the license applications. Not just anyone can go out and get a handful of frequencies just because they want them. So make sure all that stuff is accurate. While you're doing the application, I personally would get a few VHF and a few UHF. Don't just do VHF because you think that's what you might use. Better to have and not need than need and not have.

Are you referring to getting dedicated frequencies? If so, I'm going to go for just the itinerant frequencies license. Don't really have the time or money to go after dedicated frequencies. I do have several legitimate business interests, though, so it's not like I'm going to be straight up lying to them. More like just getting radios for my business that I wouldn't otherwise get is all.

I would love to get dual band radios, but they are few and far between in the professional radio market for some reason. My plan is to do my encrypted network on VHF and then get some cheap little Yaesus or something for keeping tabs on the outside world and reaching out to other people if necessary.

 

[DeoVindice]

Without using encryption, you could use low band itinerants on a Part 90 license. Security through obscurity...with really, really long antennas! It may perform better than UHF or VHF in the Ozarks, too.

I've applied for a Part 90 license for my business (mine services contracting); I filed for both low band high-power itinerants and four each UHF and VHF to facilitate crossbanding. Looking forward to building a system that goes beyond what can be done on GMRS. Yes, encryption is an option, but I'm not planning on utilizing it at this time.

 

[thorosaurus]

Without using encryption, you could use low band itinerants on a Part 90 license. Security through obscurity...with really, really long antennas! It may perform better than UHF or VHF in the Ozarks, too.

I've applied for a Part 90 license for my business (mine services contracting); I filed for both low band high-power itinerants and four each UHF and VHF to facilitate crossbanding. Looking forward to building a system that goes beyond what can be done on GMRS. Yes, encryption is an option, but I'm not planning on utilizing it at this time.

How low and long are we talking here? The brush is pretty thick in there, so long antennas might not be workable, depending on how long we're talking. Maybe those ones that fold up, but I'm not sure that those would be available for anything besides military surplus.

 

[mmckenna]

How low and long are we talking here? The brush is pretty thick in there, so long antennas might not be workable, depending on how long we're talking. Maybe those ones that fold up, but I'm not sure that those would be available for anything besides military surplus.

12 inches or a bit more, depending on the antenna.

Nothing wrong with the military style ribbon antennas, but they'd probably get annoying after a while. Plus, well, you'd probably look like a dork.

Drawbacks to low band,
Mobile it requires a much larger antenna than what you'd need on VHF or UHF. Not going to work well with a hand held inside a vehicle, but that applies to VHF and UHF, too. Trouble is you'd be dealing with a longer antenna.
In a portable, it would be fine for short range, but the limitations on reasonable antennas and the necessary ground plane create issues.
Noise floor can be high, which can get annoying.
Dwindling supply of radios. Not sure who's making new low band portables anymore. Kenwood did up until recently, so anything you buy is going to be used.

 

[thorosaurus]

I know you guys said not to, but someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse. If it doesn't work out, I'll be able to get my money back and probably turn a profit even.

I found a local computer guy who has an old machine he's going to sell me for a song. It has a 933 mhz CPU, serial port, and Windows 2000 with DOS. It also has a USB port, so that will make it easy to install the programming software.

If that all sounds kosher so far, I have two questions:

1. If I get a ribless programming cable, does that mean I don't need the rib box? Is there a disadvantage to doing it that way?

2. Where's a safe place to get the software without running the risk of getting a virus?

 

[chrismol1]

yup ribless serial cable, the rib is built into the cable end. I use one myself for HT1000/JT1000 on a win98 laptop booted into DOS and setup a shortcut from win98 into dos mode when you click it. the rss is so old and small its 200kb, a lot of viruses are larger. it is HT1000 JT1000 Visar R03.03.00 RVN-4098 floating on the web

 

[thorosaurus]

yup ribless serial cable, the rib is built into the cable end. I use one myself for HT1000/JT1000 on a win98 laptop booted into DOS and setup a shortcut from win98 into dos mode when you click it. the rss is so old and small its 200kb, a lot of viruses are larger. it is HT1000 JT1000 Visar R03.03.00 RVN-4098 floating on the web

Do you think 933 MHz is slow enough?

 

[brndnstffrd]

Do you think 933 MHz is slow enough?

Absolutely. I program them on a CF-30 with a 1.6 Ghz Core 2 Duo processor off a DOS bootable flashdrive using the final release of the RSS with no issues. As far a processor speed, the Jedi series is very stable and tolerant of more modern computers compared to alot of other older Moto radios.