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According to the DB, they appear to be active, but that is not the case. NJTRANSIT PD on VHF should be marked either deprecated or limited backup only.
According to the DB, they appear to be active, but that is not the case. NJTRANSIT PD on VHF should be marked either deprecated or limited backup only.
Whose "rule of thumb" is that? It's certainly not official RRDB policy.The rule of thumb is so long as the licenses are still active, which they are, then they should remain in the database.
Whose "rule of thumb" is that? It's certainly not official RRDB policy.
There are literally countless frequencies still actively licensed all over the country that haven't been used in decades. In NJ alone I guarantee that I can easily find over a thousand licensed frequencies that were long since abandoned, with absolutely no radio equipment owned or installed by those agencies, and thus zero possibility of them being used. Think of all the old low band frequencies that were popular decades ago, replaced 20-30 years ago by UHF/T-Band, and now many of those same agencies are migrating to 700/800 trunking.
The official policy is not to remove entries from the RRDB unless it can be verified that the agency in question no longer uses said frequencies, actively or for backup purposes. The status of the FCC license has absolutely nothing to do with making that determination, as many agencies operate with expired/no licenses, or have stuff licensed that hasn't been used in years.
If once-active frequencies now sit dormant 99% of the time and are for backup use only, then that can and should be noted in a reasonable manner in the RRDB.
I suggest that you go back and re-read both of my posts. Nowhere did I say or even suggest that any of these VHF railroad frequencies should be marked Deprecated or removed. Quite the opposite, in fact. I am making the broader point that we have policies and procedures in place for administering the RRDB, and those are not subject to the whims or opinions or "rules of thumb" of anyone except those who set those policies.Let's back up here. First we're not talking about just any old public safety organization here, this is a railroad police department. I have no doubt you can find numerous licenses that haven't been used in years that are still llisted as active and are abandoned, but railroads are different, they have their own spectrum so
Railroads still operate on VHF so the police need to have access to VHF. I don't care what system you heard a RRPD on or anything else, Railroads operate between 160-162 so it's a sure bet the rail road POLICE still have VHF radios in there with the frequencies in question in them. I can't tell you how many times fI've heard frequencies come alive that I thought were dead. Until you can show me a picture of a NJTPD vehicle without any sort of VHF installed, I wouldn't mark ANY frequency "deprecated""
GTR8000, you are absolutely correct. Since you are an admin, perhaps you can tweak the DB and mark those NJT VHF frequencies as "backup only". For anyone coming into NJ for the first time, it gives them a false impression when frequencies are listed to appear as active, when they are actually just backup only. Furthermore, every county should be looked through and all frequencies that are ONLY used for backup, should say that next to each listing. The truth is, licenses renew all the time, but when a town or agency doesn't even own the radio equipment anymore to operate on certain frequencies, then they should be removed completely.
GTR8000, you are absolutely correct. Since you are an admin, perhaps you can tweak the DB and mark those NJT VHF frequencies as "backup only". For anyone coming into NJ for the first time, it gives them a false impression when frequencies are listed to appear as active, when they are actually just backup only. Furthermore, every county should be looked through and all frequencies that are ONLY used for backup, should say that next to each listing. The truth is, licenses renew all the time, but when a town or agency doesn't even own the radio equipment anymore to operate on certain frequencies, then they should be removed completely.