So basically no way to listen to FHP?

[Event_Horizon]

Hey everyone:

So now that they have switchted to digital + encrypted now there is no way to listen? No hacks?

 

[bravo14]

Nope not anymore.... I think down south you can still pick them up I'm not sure about Daytona area I heard Orlando went to the ma/com. I don't think you can buy a ma/com radio from a dealer....

 

[N4DES]

None...zero...nada. Even buying a radio won't help as you won't have the
required encryption key.

 

[bravo14]

That is true also about the encrytion key. unless you know someone who knows about that stuff and go around it.

 

[rdale]

You can't "go around" the encryption key.

 

[n4voxgill]

That is true also about the encrytion key. unless you know someone who knows about that stuff and go around it.

Well tht person would be in big demand and would be well paid by several foreign goverments and criminal groups.

 

[grem467]

am assuming he meant have someone on the inside keyload/program it.

no way in hell id risk my job and possibly freedom for that.

 

[Event_Horizon]

You can't "go around" the encryption key.

dudes, people hack and open up scrambled TV (video) channels which are possibly much more complex than voice encryption but your saying theres no way to hack a puny voice transmission?

 

[AZScanner]

dudes, people hack and open up scrambled TV (video) channels which are possibly much more complex than voice encryption but your saying theres no way to hack a puny voice transmission?

It's simply a matter of supply and demand.

Now this is hypothetical. I am in no way endorsing either very highly illegal activity. But:

You have choice A and choice B.

Choice A is to hack DirectTV and figure out a way to sell people special cards that allow them to watch DirectTV for free.

Choice B is to hack public safety encryption and sell people a means to monitor encrypted comms.

You have a few hundred people that would like to have the product made under option b and a few million that would love to have option A available.

Now you're a criminal hacker who wants to make some quick cash. What do you devote your time to?

It's a no brainer, isn't it? That is why you can buy a card to watch free satellite TV but not one to listen to the cops on their encrypted channels.

-AZ

 

[grem467]

people also go to prison for illegally decrypting TV, if you would like to be the one to break the enc and have moto/macom/whoever come get you, then so be it.

not me

also as AZscanner said, the cost required wouldnt be worth it... hey we agreed on something! sweet!

 

[grem467]

also from my limited understanding, they arent actually brute force decrypting anything.. they are tricking the reciever into thinking you paid for it and thus the card allows the decryption, the card already knows the keys. A non keyloaded radio does NOT know the keys, and if you try to tamper with the secure hardware in a radio, it dumps the key.

*disclaimer: Stealing TV is wrong, and i have no idea how to do it, i just think i understand the theory behind how the enc works... hell i may be totally wrong. contact your local sat provider for a subscription.. anything else i forgot?lol

 

[Event_Horizon]

yes all great points people. I was doubting that the new voice encryptions were foolproof that no one would be able to decode them and i used the tv hacking example. Of course I dont know how to do either but im just curious as to the technology behind it for educational purposes. Besides, why all of a sudden FHP want to hide communication? What they got to hide? Speed traps maybe? Because before if im not mistken nothing was encrypted.

 

[N4DES]

Remember that FHP along with all the others are just subscribers to the new system. They did not specify the modulation protocol nor full time encryption. M/A Com owns the system outright, decided what platform was going to be deployed, and have been giving the management rights for all of the state tower assets. The State wanted to get out of the radio system business and that was their major objective which in turn allowed them to reduce staff at their Technology Office and they didn't have to worry about building out the rest of the sites, something M/A Com did at their cost.

The State is now just a subscriber to the new system just like their cell phone contract and M/A Com is able to "sell" additional system capacity to other Public Safety agencies.

 

[grem467]

they are loading it up too, a county or two around here is going on it.

 

[Yokoshibu]

I dunno there is some benefit to owning your entire system... ie MARCS up in ohio

 

[N4DES]

This is who they have signed up so far:

As of May 2006, there are nine approved SLERS third-party subscribers:

Baker County Sheriff's Office
Franklin County Sheriff's Office
Glades County Sheriff's Office
Gulf County's Sheriff's Office, Emergency Medical Service and Port St. Joe Police Department
Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office (interoperability)
Social Security Administration's Office of Investigations in Florida
Sumter County Sheriff's Office (interoperability)
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
Wakulla County Sheriff's Office

http://eits.myflorida.com/slers/#third_party

 

[RevGary]

Just a thought: Now that more and more agencies are adopting this system, isn't is about time that the restrictive 'mobile scanner law' be done away with here? In short order, it will be a useless law because most mobile scanning of law enforcement will not be possible. Any thoughts???

 

[wwhitby]

This is who they have signed up so far:

As of May 2006, there are nine approved SLERS third-party subscribers:

Are all of those users digital/encrypted as well?

Warren

 

[grem467]

yes, anyone on SLERS would be provoice with DES.. also the control channel uses ESK, procluding you from even programming a radio on the system.


We have a couple of the SLERS radios for interop, and while they are terribly combersome to operate, the voice quality is on par with our ASTRO using the latest firmware.