Squeezing better audio

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Okay guys, I'm hooked.

A month ago I knew little about SWL, but I've been hooked on scanning for some time. For about $100 I bought Softrock, a balun. and scrounged up some electric fence wire to put up a decent randomwire: 120 feet, hanging between 2 trees in the backyard.

And you were right. It is a thrill. For so little investment, I'm getting a big radio experience.

With the waterfall, it's easy to spot low-strength broadcasts. I'd say, out of 40 visible radio stations across the tropical bands, perhaps 8 or 10 are strong enough to have good audio. The remaining stations are visible on the waterfall, but the background noise is too high to get good audio. I'm using WinRadio software, which has a noise reduction button, and it works.....to a point. I'd like to get your advice on upgrading to the next level.

I think my randomwire is as quiet as I can get: the feedline is 120 feet of coax, stretching from the house to the middle of the back yard. I could do a better job grounding, though. The only ground I have is through the power supply on the SDR.

So....how to get more selectivity, more sensitivity? How to drop the background noise?

The next step up in SDRs is the SDR IQ for about $525. Beyond that, all other SDRs are $1000 or more. I'm not sure if any of them have the right muscle.....or for that matter how to call out the right muscle....and compare it with table top systems. And I'd rather not blow more money till I learn.

Any advice?
 

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"So....how to get more selectivity, more sensitivity?"
The receiver is what it is regardless of what kind of receiver it is. Gone are the days of boat anchors (tube type receivers) you could easily modify with replaceable IF transformers and filters you could add. About the closest you may come are a few ham rigs with plug in bandwidth filters offered as accessory options you can add or replace existing ones with.

"How to drop the background noise?"
As T'pau said to Captain Kirk; "The air is the air, what can be done about the air?" I'm sure you can figure out how it applies to your question, however you can mitigate noise and stray signal pickup by the coax. You need to decouple it from the antenna rather than making it part of the antenna as you have and that depending on the details of your installation may be hard or easy. The solution in any case is to ground the "balun" using a heavy wire and earthing rod available at your local electrical supply house. A heavy wire (12 AWG minimum diameter) not only has more surface area where RF flows but affords a degree of lightning protection without going up in flames. Bottom line is it's only as easy as the way you installed the system in the first place.

I noticed you used the term "balun" which is why I put it in quotes, that term leaves me unsure of what sort of coupling device it actually is. To be correct about it, a balun is used to connect a balanced antenna such as a dipole to unbalanced transmission line, most commonly coax. That's what makes it a bal-un, a balanced to unbalanced transformer. A common misconception is calling an un-un a balun, sellers are notorious for using incorrect terms. An un-un is exactly what the name implies, it couples signal from an unbalanced antenna such as an end fed wire to coax, unbalanced to unbalanced. You need to determine which device you installed if you don't already know for sure, using the wrong device for any application is the sure fire way to upset the apple cart and these apples can be a pain in the butt to clean up.

"Any advice?"
That should about do it, now the Techie Wars begin... wait for it.
 

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I agree with everything Warren has said :) plus I would pound in a ground rod at the base of the tree where you have the 'balun' and connect the coax outer to it there - and exchange the 'balun' for an 'un-un' - make your own - cheap and easy.

http://g0kya.blogspot.com/2009/06/long-wire-and-un-un-part-1.htm

http://g0kya.blogspot.com/2009/06/long-wire-and-un-un-part-2.html

Also drop the fence wire down to the ground rod and attached the un-un and coax there - the vertical part is also a good part of the antenna.

You may want to experiment with winding a few turns of the coax into a loop of say 6inches diameter and tape them together at the ground rod to stop circulating earth currents getting into the un-un.

Cheers - Martin ZL2MC
 
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an un un I believe

I installed the 9:1 un un that Warren recommended.

$20 well spent.

AtomicAntenna : 9:1 Longwire, Balun, Unun, Adapter, Shortwave, Slinky


Thanks Warren

Sounds like I need to pound in a ground rod. I'm crazy enough to try this in this weather.

In the top photo, you can see phase 1: plastic fenceposts supporting the long wire. It was an icy day.

The bottom photo shows Phase 2.

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With the waterfall, it's easy to spot low-strength broadcasts. I'd say, out of 40 visible radio stations across the tropical bands, perhaps 8 or 10 are strong enough to have good audio. The remaining stations are visible on the waterfall, but the background noise is too high to get good audio. I'm using WinRadio software, which has a noise reduction button, and it works.....to a point. I'd like to get your advice on upgrading to the next level.

No matter what you do, no matter how good the radio, how large the antenna farm, how well planned or engineered the system, you are always going to have signals that are visible, but not usable. It is the nature of the beast.

So....how to get more selectivity, more sensitivity? How to drop the background noise?

The SoftRock has a fairly low quality front end. The sensitivity and MDS are not great. As such a low noise amplifier could be a real help to you.

In general too many people lean on amps to do something for them, when the rest of the system is already up to performing at the natural noise floor. So I hesitate to suggest LNAs for most HF installations as an early step. Get everything else right first, and then go the LNA route. In this case it might be a good idea though.

However, keep in mind that your SoftRock, like all sound card based SDRs, has a higher noise floor than would be found in a good tabletop or a DDC SDR. While the sound card based SDR can be designed with exactly the same front end as a DDC SDR you can never get rid of the issue of the sound card induced noise floor.

Selectivity. One of the very strong points of SDR is the selectivity they bring to the table. When you get right down to it no other radio type currently in use is better. And the best “radios” that are not SDR apply exactly the same design in a DSP without requiring a computer to run it, just a dedicated hardware interface instead.

The software filters have very sharp cutoff, better than can be found in any hardware filter (example, crystal filters). The software filters are fully adjustable, to meet the needs of the moment.

A DDC SDR will have slightly better selectivity than a sound card based SDR, again because of the sound card, but really this will be undetectable to your ear or in your use. The improvement is there and measurable, no doubt, but just not a factor in use. The DDC SDR will have better image rejection, and that can be seen in use.

Background noise…again just a fact you have to live with. As KB2VXA has suggested a properly done ground might improve this, and will be better from a lightning standpoint. I have also had some luck with common mode chokes. But, background noise is always going to be there…and at much higher levels than a person coming from a scanner background is used to dealing with.

The next step up in SDRs is the SDR IQ for about $525. Beyond that, all other SDRs are $1000 or more. I'm not sure if any of them have the right muscle.....or for that matter how to call out the right muscle....and compare it with table top systems. And I'd rather not blow more money till I learn.


If you moved up to the SDR-IQ from your SoftRock you could see a slight improvement in sensitivity. It might, or might not, be enough to see, depending on the natural noise floor at your location and with your installation.

Image rejection would show a significant improvement, probably more than 20 dB depending on what sound card you are now using with the SoftRock. Dynamic range would also improve, probably more than 25 dB better, again depending on what sound card you are currently using with the SoftRock. The DDC SDRs, like the SDR-IQ, are not limited by the sound card in these aspects.

All of the other DDC SDRs out there should show at least that much improvement in the same areas, several of them significantly more.

The WinRadio G31DDC can be had for around $850, although most places list it for $899. Pretty much all of the other DDC SDRs are $1000 or more.

Do DDC SDRs compare to tabletops? Absolutely. The question becomes, can tabletops compare to a well designed SDR? And then the answer in most ways is no, not for the same price point. The low cost SDR-IQ, as a package, is as good as tabletops costing quite a bit more, in many ways. There are several single factors that come up a little short, such as the front end and resistance to imaging above 15 MHz, but the overall package is very good.

A very well done analog receiver can have better dynamic range, but most don’t when compared to the better SDRs out there. In almost every other way a DDC SDR can, and some do, exceed the best tabletop analog receivers.

Right now the Perseus SDR is one of the best receivers you can buy, for any price. Its one real shortfall is in sensitivity, not bad at all mind you and well below the natural noise floor for most users so this is not a factor, but not quite as good as a few other more traditional receivers it competes with. In every other measurable way it is simply World class, in a few ways the World leader.


However, I’ll tell you, I like to use the WinRadio Excalibur more than I like to use the Perseus. Sure, the Perseus has better numbers, but I just like the way the Excalibur operates. I can’t quite put my finger on why but I think the Excalibur just seems to makes more low level signals more intelligible. The full width 30 or 50 MHz waterfall display at the bottom that keeps running no matter what you are looking closely at I the other windows is a fantastic feature. And the software for the Excalibur is, in my opinion, some of the best done for SDR currently available. Of course, it better be, none of the third party software out there supports the Excalibur yet and from past WinRadio history might never.

If you are thinking about upgrading to another, new, receiver, for short wave frequencies, then you really can’t go wrong with either the WinRadio Excalibur or the Microtelecom Perseus. When you compare them for performance in their covered ranges to any tabletop you can buy new today they are better and/or less costly.

Make a list of tabletop receivers, look at the prices. Only a couple of them cost less than an SDR, and those, while not bad radios, just cannot really compete in most ways or features.

Any advice?

Yep, if you are going to stay with the hobby, if you have decided it is something you want to pursue, and if you can afford the equipment without hardship, don’t be afraid of SDRs. They are new’ish, but they are likely the future of radio.

Oh, and get that antenna a little higher, you’ll like it even more ;)

T!
 
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