State Police restructuring and Orange County

[sc800]

I heard from some very reliable sources that the State Police are cutting back in Orange County and reassigning certain troopers to barracks that are severely understaffed upstate to cut down on overtime.

Does anyone have any information on who will fill in the coverage. I've heard rumors that certain towns were in negotiation with the Sheriff's Office, but I don't think it was concrete yet, does anyone have new information?

 

[K2KOH]

Wouldn't surprise me. Gov. Patterson is scared to death of the building deficit. Hang on, it's going to be one hell of a ride!

 

[sc800]

I wonder how the towns will handle the state police cutbacks, especially those that always complain that the county charter prohibits the Sheriff's Office from patrolling.

Would the charter need to be changed

 

[APX8000]

I've actually heard this "rumor" as well. Nothing yet confirmed.

 

[WatnNY]

Things are going to get downright ROUGH in every single state agency over the next couple/three years. Well for the little guy, there will still be "special" jobs for friends and cohorts - get rid of 3 little guys so I can keep this higher paid guy who really doesn't do anything, but he's an old friend :-(

 

[RadioComm]

This was a rumor that surfaced a few months ago. There was chat about changing SP posts which cover towns that already have PD's. The State Police is not going to be cutting down coverage in areas where they are primary(i.e. Greenville, Minisink, Wawayanda, Monroe and Hamptonburgh). It seems like that rumor has been quiet lately..... If I hear anything new, I'll pass it along.

 

[PJH]

There was an article a few weeks back in the Record about actual staffing shortages within Troop F. Troop F also happens to be one of, or the largest Troop in NY, and therefor the largest manpower pool.

However, Troop F also has the highest call volume in the state.

It would not suprise me for the zones to restructure patrol districts in certain areas, but as streched out as they are, don't plan on seeing major moves. Your just going to see some substation shifts of personell, but generally the staffing levels will be the same troop wide. Why staff a substation at 0200 where the nearest hint of civilization is 30+ miles away, when that resource can be better utilized elsewhere.

There has been talk of centralizing a bunch of operations to Middletown (ie troop wide dispatchers and other services) - which was talked about when (if) SWiN comes online all at the same time...but I am sure thats up in the air now too.

 

[comspec]

There was an article a few weeks back in the Record about actual staffing shortages within Troop F. Troop F also happens to be one of, or the largest Troop in NY,

However, Troop F also has the highest call volume in the state.

Troop F is pretty busy, but you gotta love these reporters. Troop F is not the largest in terms of land area covered or population servered and it does not have the highest call volume. Largest troop (in area) and highest call volume went to Troop D, at least in 2007 as the 2008 stats have not been finalized.

Maybe the 2008 numbers will show something different and this talk about reorganization is just a reaction to the way the new numbers are trending.

Officially Troop NYC has the higest "population served" but of course they don't do any real patrol in NYC. Troop F serves less then a million people, (A,D,E,F,G,K and of course L all have over a million).

Not that this significantly changes the discussion, but I always get a kick out of the way statistics can be manipulated to make a point.

 

[PJH]

True, and this was reported by "The Record" which has suucccch a high record of steller reporting. I'll see if I can dig up the article later tonight.

 

[radionerd13669]

Well atleast you dont have the problem we do.

Just in todays paper the county cut the sheriffs dept because the NYSP have 74 uniformed troopers in SLC

 

[MFR230]

The Haverstraw barracks no longer has a desk officer as of about a month ago, all dispatching is done by SP Monroe. Walk-ups now have to press a button on a call box outside the front door that is connected to SP Monroe.

 

[sc800]

SP Havestraw is dispatched by SP Monroe? On what frequency, I don't think I've ever heard a call come over 155.535 for Rockland County

 

[GTR8000]

SP Haverstraw is still on 155.535/154.935. The transmitter for Rockland is located on Jackie Jones Mtn up in Stony Point. SP Monroe must have a remote link to that tower. There is no way they'd be able to communicate with the troop cars from Monroe otherwise.

 

[sc800]

Is there a PL tone? In fact, I really don't hear SP Monroe all that much. I actually hear SP Middletown and even SP Higland more than SP Monroe.

 

[Kevinbb]

SP Havestraw is dispatched by SP Monroe? On what frequency, I don't think I've ever heard a call come over 155.535 for Rockland County

All the thruway 9-1-1 cell calls that were previously handled by Hav seem to be coming in from Monroe now as well. I haven't talked to the Havestraw desk since mid-summer. Was kind of wondering why we were getting transfers from Monroe for stuff down near the TZB. Haven't heard any staffing mods over here at Troop T with the exception of the usual backfilling of retirees and new recruits Statewide.

Kevin -TSOC

 

[GTR8000]

Is there a PL tone? In fact, I really don't hear SP Monroe all that much. I actually hear SP Middletown and even SP Higland more than SP Monroe.

I don't believe so...should be CSQ like normal on 155.535 Base>Car.

All the thruway 9-1-1 cell calls that were previously handled by Hav seem to be coming in from Monroe now as well. I haven't talked to the Havestraw desk since mid-summer. Was kind of wondering why we were getting transfers from Monroe for stuff down near the TZB. Haven't heard any staffing mods over here at Troop T with the exception of the usual backfilling of retirees and new recruits Statewide.

Kevin -TSOC

Your post confuses me. What does SP Haverstraw/Monroe have to do with 911 cell calls coming from the Thruway in Rockland? 911 cell calls in Rockland go directly to 44-Control/Radio HQ at the Fire Training Center in Pomona, not the SP. It's been that way for years now. The only 911 cell calls 44-Control/Radio HQ forwards to Troop F are those involving the PIP.

 

[comspec]

Besides the Palisades Parkway, what else does SP Havestraw Patrol???

 

[GTR8000]

Nothing. Just the Parkway.

However...they monitor the Countywide PD Repeater on 154.725 and will generally respond to a call for assistance or major incident if they're in the area. Other than that, Troop F stays on the Parkway, and Troop T stays on the Thruway. They have no patrol areas off either roadway in the county of Rockland. You will also occasionally hear "Headquarters to any SP unit on the Parkway?" if there's something going on. It's often easier for 44-Control to give them a call directly rather than transferring it to Monroe.

 

[MFR230]

They are infact having alot of problems hearing there cars from what I can monitor, that's why you are hearing more SP cars on County 154.725 asking for data checks.

 

[PJH]

Not entirely. Many desk troopers are:

1-Annoyed to do them
2-Too busy to do them

Contacting a county 911 center who has MDT/NYSPIN access is the easy out for the road guys. You can tell when a 911 center gets access and the field units find out about it as they switch over and start to annoy those dispatchers. In my county, that happened as well. They road guys (and deputies) would get quicker responses from 911 than their own bases....but eventually that was curtailed due to 911's busyness.