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[CitationJet]

10.20.2008 am

This morning's logs...

IAD = Washington/Dulles IAP
PT = Potomac TRACON
ZDC = Washington Center ARTCC

10.20.2008 am

1144Z 125.650 PT DEP - NAVY 7C 113 (UC-12B NAS Oceana NFD) - QSY ZDC-Calvert 133.900 and checks in @ 8000'.
1146Z 119.300 PT APP - NAVY 7A 326 (UC-12B NAS Patuxent River) - deps ADW 1700'-3000' QSY PT DEP 118.950 to 5000'-8000' QSY PT A/D 123.825 cleared dir Suffolk-Stonyfork QSY ZDC-Hagerstown 134.150.
1150Z 119.850 PT APP - NELI 101 (JS32 FAA Atlantic City) - discussing correct fp callsign - per crew: "might be five letters canned in the system, but I always file as N-E-L-I." I'm going with the crew... Dir OTT VORTAC for the vis. app. to rwy 33 @ DCA.

1209Z 118.675 PT A/D - JENNA 623 (Ce750 N254CX) - QSY ZDC-Linden 133.550 @ 14800'-17000' to FL220 QSY ZDC-Moorefield 133.275 to FL270.
1222Z 118.950 PT DEP - N1 (G4 N1 FAA Washington National) - deps DCA 1500'-4000' for landing IAD.

 

[TinEar]

DRAGO 51 (KC-135R, 59-1469, 756th ARS Andrews) has been up since 1000 flying locally, preparing for the flyby of Arlington. The actual flyby took place at 1105 and the aircraft is now preparing to fly to Dover. He's cleared to climb to 11,000 feet for that trip. Working the usual 279.575.
1110: DRAGO 51 handed to Potomac TRACON and checks in at 7,000 feet for Dover. Controller clears him to Dover...124.55
1115: DRAGO 51 cleared to 5,000 feet...124.55
1117: DRAGO 51 handed off to Dover Approach...checks in at 5,000 for ILS to runway 1, option back to radar...would like to spiral up to whatever altitude they can get and then spiral down...132.425 (Changing to Dover tower 126.35 and back to Approach/Departure as he wears out the pattern...still there at 1159)

Air Force 1 (VC-25A, 82-8000) was off from Andrews at 1040. (Logged in Georgia at 1143)
SAM 91 (C-32A, 98-0001) off from Andrews at 1105
Air Force 2 (Callsign displayed in transponder but might have actually been SAM 3591), C-32A, 99-0003 off from Andrews at 1055. SAM 3591 heard reporting to Andrews on 378.1 that he has a D/V plus 19, was late taking off due to late D/V and ETA is 1645Z.

1113: EVAC 177 (C-17A, 00-0177, 62nd AW McChord) to ADW Tower announces going to departure...118.4
1114: EVAC 177 to Griffin Command reports airborne at 1510Z...378.1
1115: E-6B, 164388, VQ-4 coming from the New Jersey shore toward Patuxent...across Delaware Bay, across Delaware, crossing MD's eastern shore at 1123...starting across the Bay at 1128.
1128: An FAA BE-30 aircraft (N73) as Flight Check 73 working Reading A/D for work at that airport...125.15
1131: BATON 61 (EC-130J. 01-1935, 193rd SOS PA-ANG Harrisburg) calling BATON Ops, Command or Maintenance...many times, no joy...395.1 (Still calling at 1153)
1135: BLACKJACK 1 (HH-65 USCG, DCA) to HUNTRESS asking if HUNTRESS wants them to take a look at anything...says they have about 10 minutes left...139.7
1138: REACH 962 (C-17A, 03-3122, 437th AW Charleston) to Andrews w/arrival message...378.1
1148: VENUS 41 (C-37A, 97-0401, 99th AS Andrews) w/ADW Tower doing pattern work...118.4
1153: BATON 61 finally makes contact...10 minutes out, A-2 for a #1 tank transfer pump...395.1
1155: VENUS 94 (C-32A, 99-0004, 1st AS Andrews) to ADW Twr reports switching to departure...118.4
1156: JOSA 582 (C-21A, 84-0077, 457th AS Andrews) in the area.
1159: REACH 277 (C-17A, 99-0058, 62nd AW McChord) overhead the area at FL 210 and climbing.

1205: VENUS 41 for full stop t his time on runway 1L...118.4 (Lunch time)

 

[CitationJet]

Re: DRAGO 51

Tin,

DRAGO 51 w/arr. smg 30 mins out to LIBERATOR on 351.200 @ 1651Z.

Tony

DRAGO 51 (KC-135R, 59-1469, 756th ARS Andrews) has been up since 1000 flying locally, preparing for the flyby of Arlington. The actual flyby took place at 1105 and the aircraft is now preparing to fly to Dover. He's cleared to climb to 11,000 feet for that trip. Working the usual 279.575.
1110: DRAGO 51 handed to Potomac TRACON and checks in at 7,000 feet for Dover. Controller clears him to Dover...124.55
1115: DRAGO 51 cleared to 5,000 feet...124.55
1117: DRAGO 51 handed off to Dover Approach...checks in at 5,000 for ILS to runway 1, option back to radar...would like to spiral up to whatever altitude they can get and then spiral down...132.425 (Changing to Dover tower 126.35 and back to Approach/Departure as he wears out the pattern...still there at 1159)

 

[TinEar]

Tin,

DRAGO 51 w/arr. smg 30 mins out to LIBERATOR on 351.200 @ 1651Z.

Tony

Thanks Tony. I decided to go rake leaves (my monster oak trees have begun their undressing and they come down fast and furiously) and was wondering how long he'd stay at Dover.

Also have an unusual callsign - OLLA 79 - from a C-32B, tail 02-4452, 227th SOF, PA-ANG McGuire. Picked him up about 1320 heading south from McGuire, over Waterloo and now (1331) directly over Salisbury...still heading south on a 205 degree heading at FL 200. He's going to be a few miles west of Snow Hill on his journey and I'll soon lose him since he's not very high. He didn't get up to FL 200 until he was just about at Waterloo. He'll be over Virginia's eastern shore shortly.

1330: SPAR 16 (C-9C, 73-1682, 73rd AS Scott) preparing to land w/ADW Twr...118.4

 

[CitationJet]

Re: SPAR 16

Hi Tin,

Sure thing. Also had SPAR 16 up w/arr. msg GRIFFIN CP 378.100 @ 1711Z.

Tony

Thanks Tony. I decided to go rake leaves (my monster oak trees have begun their undressing and they come down fast and furiously) and was wondering how long he'd stay at Dover.

1330: SPAR 16 (C-9C, 73-1682, 73rd AS Scott) preparing to land w/ADW Twr...118.4

 

[Mark]

Up early today before work and have GOLD 92 and GOLD 91 climbing off McGuire at 0330 on 124.150
GOLD 92 showing as KC-135 #62-3507 A/A GOLD 91 on CORONET 373.550.
0400 Both gone and headed South for sure.No mention of recievers.
Mark

Checking tape later I see GOLD 92 was gonna rtb McGuire with CP at 0545 local.
alpha 3 for leaking boom window so will burn off some of the 75k fuel left for hour and a half and req primetime for crew r-o-n.
Guess they scrubbed Coronet mission whatever it was.Maybe try again tommorow?

Mark

 

[CitationJet]

10.20.2008 pm - SCALP 94

One highlight from the rest of the afternoon:

1950Z 377.100 ZDC-Dominion - SCALP 94 (B-52H 93rd BS/917th BW AFRC) - RTB req. FL270 gets dir SQS (Sidon) VORTAC @ FL250 cleared to climb FL250.

 

[Mark]

2010z GOOSE 79 props with McGuire metro 239.800 req wx for KPSM Pease AFB at 2100z.
About same time had AE02D8 AC-130 on box as REACH 100.
GOOSE is listed as a Hurbert Field 8SOS/16 SOW callsign. can you confirm Alan?

Mark

 

[mdmonitor]

Logs, 20 Oct

ACY-Atlantic City NJ
ADW- Andrews AFB MD
BW- Bay Watch-NAS PAX Area Advisory Control
DOV- Dover AFB DE
GK- Giantkiller (FACSFAC, Virginia Capes)
MTN-Martin State Airport, Baltimore
NGTF-Northrop-Grumman Test Facility, Baltimore
NXX- Willow Grove JRB PA
PAX-NAS Patuxent River MD
WRI-McGuire AFB NJ
ZBW-Boston ARTCC
ZDC- Washington ARTCC
ZNY- New York ARTCC

1. VHF/UHF: ((Times are EDT))

1145- JOSA 486 (id as C-21, prob 457th AS ADW)-w/Griffin CP (378.1) w/inbound msg.
1151- Baton 61 (EC-130J. 01-1935??, 193rd SOS PA-ANG Harrisburg )-w/Baton Maintenance (295.1), Thanks to Tin Ear for acft ident.
1153- Venus 94 (VC-32A # 99-0004, 1st AS ADW)-depart ADW (118.4)
1157- Drago 51 (KC-135R, 59-1469, 756th ARS Andrews)-patterns at DOV (132.425 & 126.35) after doing fly-by at Arlington Cemetary VA. Thanks to Tin Ear for acft ident. Returns to ADW (118.4) at 1245.
1158- Venus 41 (VC-37A # 97-0401, 99th AS ADW)-patterns at ADW (118.4)
1238- N360TL (Britten Islander, NGTF)-w/Northrop Base (123.225) reporting departure Baltimore and ready for test work.
1239 Brutus (E-3 AWACS, Tinker AFB OK)-check into W386 (249.8) to work w/Stud 51 & Maul 43 flts (both F-22s, Langley). Brutus declares they are IFF only today and will not be working radar.
1240- Salty Dog 222 (F-18, VX-23, PAX)-check in w/BW (354.8)
1242- Brutus and Dragnet Victor (E-3 AWACS, Tinker AFB OK)-on discrete exchanging IFF codes and working areas.
1245- Brutus-w/GK (249.8) confirming later work in W72 w/Slugger 21 & Bones 31 flts (both F-18F, VFA-103 NAS Oceana VA)
1412- Water Bug 939 (T-34C # 160939, VX-=20 PAX-female pikot)-w/BW (270.8) for use of restricted area then will go over to Webster OLF.
1415- Navy 7A326 (C-12B, Base Flt PAX)-land at ADW (118.4)
1530 Giant 8866 B-747-200, USAF contrct)-depart DOV (132.425) then w/ZDC (127.7). Bound for Frankfurt GE.


Ron (mdmonitor1@verizon.net)
Baltimore MD (390747N 763711W)
VHF/UHF: BC-895XLT/RS Pro-2045
Diamond D-130J discone
HF: Icom R75 & Sangean ATS 909
45-ft EF-SWL & 70-ft random wire

 

[TinEar]

2010z GOOSE 79 props with McGuire metro 239.800 req wx for KPSM Pease AFB at 2100z.
About same time had AE02D8 AC-130 on box as REACH 100.
GOOSE is listed as a Hurbert Field 8SOS/16 SOW callsign. can you confirm Alan?

Mark

I caught the AE02D8 aircraft at 1555 according to the log but he was displaying 'RCH 1008' as his callsign. He must have changed it by the time he got to you. I have no ID for that hex other than showing it as an AC-130. My history shows just one other log for that aircraft in November last year in Europe. I didn't hear the GOOSE (was outside at that time) so can't help with the ID if you're trying to associate them. My callsign database shows GOOSE belongs to that old Hurlburt/Duke Field bunch.

1734: After calling for 10 minutes or so, BISON 85 (C-130H, 87-9285, 95th AS Pope) made contact with Andrews... 15 minutes out, 1 pax to offload, has 16.3K fuel aboard and no fuel needed but need parking spot...378.1
1740: BISON 85 to Andrews Tower for landing...118.4

 

[Mark]

I caught the AE02D8 aircraft at 1555 according to the log but he was displaying 'RCH 1008' as his callsign. He must have changed it by the time he got to you.

Thanks Alan ,my box for some reason cuts off the last digit sometimes on SBS with
C-130's,(limited to 7 digit spaces)(RCH 100) so that sounds like AC-130 special callsign number.Seems Hurlbert SOS guys use REACH 1002 to REACH 1022 a lot so probably one and the same.

Mark

 

[TinEar]

Thanks Alan ,my box for some reason cuts off the last digit sometimes on SBS with
C-130's,so that sounds like AC-130 special callsign number.Seems Hurlbert SOS guys use REACH 1002 to REACH 1022 a lot so probably one and the same.

Mark

Your last digit problem is a bug in RadarBox apparently. I think they only allow 7 characters in the callsign block to match the flight plan rule. The SBS allows 8 characters which is the Mode-S standard. That aircraft had a space between the 'RCH' and the '1008' so used all 8 characters of the block, hence, cutting off the last one for you.

 

[Mark]

Your last digit problem is a bug in RadarBox apparently. I think they only allow 7 characters in the callsign block to match the flight plan rule. The SBS allows 8 characters which is the Mode-S standard. That aircraft had a space between the 'RCH' and the '1008' so used all 8 characters of the block, hence, cutting off the last one for you.

That explains it..Maybe they will straighten out in new software someday..
1755 Showing 87-0039 C-5B overhead at 34k,this Dover or Westover tail now?

Mark

 

[TinEar]

That explains it..Maybe they will straighten out in new software someday..
1755 Showing 87-0039 C-5B overhead at 34k,this Dover or Westover tail now?

Mark

It's Westover (337th AS) since he's displaying the RODD 22 callsign.

1807: BOXER 264 (C-40C, 02-0203, 201st AS Andrews) w/ADW Twr for landing...118.4 (Departed ADW on the 17th, went out west to Phoenix area, then was heard down south today and is now coming home)
1807: AF 1 (VC-25A, 82-8000) in the area and on the way home too. SAM 91 about 10 minutes ahead of him.
1810: SAM 91 (C-32A, 98-0001) w/ADW Twr for landing...118.4
1813: SAM 91 reports, "Rolling on final, gear down"...118.4
1819: AF 1 reports, "On the visual for 19 Right...cleared to land, gear down"....118.4
1820: E-6B, 164410, VQ-4 coming toward Patuxent from the north...currently about to enter VA from MD, just southwest of GAI....on a 150 degree heading at FL 260 and at 400 knots. (He's fairly high and fast if he intends to land at Pax - on the first approach anyway.)...course change to 120 degrees but still at FL 260. By 1833, still at FK 260 and about 25 miles SW of Pax - looks like he followed the Potomac River all the way down...still heading SE. At 1837, he's still heading SE and still at FL 260 - about 20 miles NE of Richmond. No sign of turning yet. Buh-bye 410. Turned to a 65 degree heaading finally at 1847 so coming back toward Pax - sort of.
1831: YODA 51 and VIKING 41 flights from Langley to work W-386 w/Giant Killer...will work on 312.3...249.8
1839: MARINE 569 (UC-35D, 166374, MAW-4) w/ADW Twr for landing and to drop of an AF general...118.4
1841: PAT 998 (C-12, 92-3328, 228th Avn) w/ADW Twr for landing runway 19R...118.4
1844: AirEvac 01798 (C-130H, 90-1798, 164th AS, OH-ANG Mansfield) w/ADW Twr for landing runway 19L...118.4
1847: SAM 50050 (C-20C, 85-0050, 99th AS Andrews) w/ADW Twr on a 7 mile left base for landing runway 19R...118.4
That appears to be the end of the aircraft chain coming into Andrews...for now.
1847: REACH 393 (C-17A, 06-6167, 436th AW Dover) passing overhead at FL 340 just arriving from a European trip...and a C-21A (84-0139, 118th AS CT-ANG Bradley) at FL 350 but no callsign.
1853: DECEE 11 (KC-135R, 59-1469, 756th ARS Andrews) reports airborne at 2052Z to Griffin...378.1
It's a two-ship along with DECEE 12 (KC-135R, 62-3556, 756th ARS) that's right behind 11. They appeared to be about 40 seconds apart on their wheels up times. 12 is staying roughly 1,000 feet below 11 on their climbout - until 11 leveled off at 13K and then 12 steadied it at 12.5K.

1907: JOSA 938 (C-21A, 84-0095, 457th AS Andrews) calls Griffin w/arrival msg...30 minutes out, gives tail, no pax or cargo, terminating at ADW...advise maintenance and need crew transportation for two...378.1
1918: JOSA 938 with ADW Twr for landing runway 19R...118.4 (Must have been cleared straight in since he made it in 11 minutes after passing 30 minute out message)

That's all folks...time to rustle up a mooseburger or two.

Ref below: Was wondering the same thing Brian.

 

[BM82557]

1242- Brutus and Dragnet Victor (E-3 AWACS, Tinker AFB OK)-on discrete exchanging IFF codes and working areas.

Missed this so I must not have that freq. What is the discrete freq?

Thanks

Brian


Update - maybe 277.6?

 

[Mark]

1853: DECEE 11 (KC-135R, 59-1469, 756th ARS Andrews) reports airborne at 2052Z to Griffin...378.1
It's a two-ship along with DECEE 12 (KC-135R, 62-3556, 756th ARS) that's right behind 11. They appeared to be about 40 seconds apart on their wheels up times. 12 is staying roughly 1,000 feet below 11 on their climbout - until 11 got to 13K and then 12 steadied it at 12.5K.

Rgr Alan logged them on ZDC Norfolk 133.825 in block at 240-250,req some 360's
to catch up with each other before continuing planned route.

Mark

 

[coronet]

Checking tape later I see GOLD 92 was gonna rtb McGuire with CP at 0545 local.
alpha 3 for leaking boom window so will burn off some of the 75k fuel left for hour and a half and req primetime for crew r-o-n.
Guess they scrubbed Coronet mission whatever it was.Maybe try again tommorow?

Yes another try tonight, they are dragging A-10s from Moody AFB to Lajes.

René.
UPDATE: they cancelled again today, re-scheduled for tomorrow (Wednesday).

 

[BM82557]

Activity 10/21/2008

1025 local -- unid 1 through 7 counting off on Giant Killer OPS freq 373.1, one of them is female - also counted off at 1020
1031 - unid active on GK W72 freq 233.7

 

[TinEar]

Late 1000 hour, BRUTUS (E-3, 552nd ACW Tinker) with Giant Killer on 233.7 telling him a VICTORY 21 flight was going to be working in W-72/2C. The VICTORY callsign is usually associated with F/A-18s from VFA-103 at NAS Oceana.
The BRUTUS AWACS aircraft may be tail 78-0578 with a front end callsign SENTRY 60 Heavy. That aircraft was in this area a bit earlier this morning.

Early 1100 hour a couple of tankers to meet up in AR-636.
OPEC 23 (KC-10A, 79-0434, 305th AMW McGuire) and TOPCAT 3 (KC-135R, 61-0318, 108th ARW McGuire) are the players. They are currently on AR Primary freq 238.9. TOPCAT 3 is coming from McGuire and OPEC 23 is coming from down around the Norfolk area. A few minutes earlier, OPEC 23 was asking Giant Killer on 118.125 if he could contact the TOPCAT aircraft and have him come up on 238.9. Apparently, he did. TOPCAT is at FL 300 and ready to descend to the FL 250 altitude of OPEC 23.

1123: JOSA 215 (C-21A, 84-077, 457th AS Andrews) to Griffin (ADW) reporting airborne time at 1519Z. Late takeoff due to D/V late...378.1
1125: IRON 71 (F-15C, 71st FS Langley) two ship on mission V-2106 to Giant Killer at FL 230 for work in W-386/A-J for the next 40 minutes....249.8 (Heard a couple minutes earlier on ZDC-Cape Charles 256.8 for approach to the offshore area)
1126: FADE 81 (F-15C, 71st FS Langley) three ship to GK to work MARSA w/IRON flight...249.8
Both Langley flights having trouble making contact w/GK on 249.8. IRON to 233.7, then 238.1 and FADE follows. They finally decide on 350.0 for monitoring GK. Freqs 389.1 and 312.3 appear to be the tac freqs they'll be working while in W-386.
1132: BRUTUS to Giant Killer to report VICTORY 11/12 and VICTORY 21/22 are 5 minutes out...233.7
1133: IRON 71 flight contact BRUTUS...389.1 (Mentions changing callsign but was too weak for me to catch it)
1136: FADE flight leader mentions going to 363.9 for their tac work - and do show up there.
1142: AXEMAN 1 (A-10, MD-ANG MTN) flight up with RAVEN Ops...347.2 (Wingman a rookie or new to the unit...flt ldr explaining all the visual landmarks to him)
1143: MD-ANG interflight freq 142.3 active...might be the AXEMAN flight.
1145: DECEE 21 (KC-135R, 57-1487, 756th ARS Andrews) overhead at FL 180. (Displaying call as DC21...about damn time...descending toward ADW)
1147: BRUTUS to Giant Killer saying work is done and airspace in W-72 released...233.7 (w/VICTORY flights)
1151: GK tac freqs 373.1 and 292.3 also active. The 373.1 callsign is TRAIN (Langley F-15) - no c/s hrd on 292.3 yet...346.6 also in use by part of the TRAIN flight.
1153: VENUS 41 (C-37A, 97-0401, 99th AS Andrews) working the pattern at ADW...118.4
1155: PAT 301 (C-12, 84-0145??) w/ADW Twr for landing runway 1L...118.4
1157: VENUS 41 to ADW Twr for full stop landing this time around...118.4
1159: DC 21 to ADW Twr...reports gear down for the option and says he'll stay on this freq "for the rest of the day"...118.4

 

[CitationJet]

Re: DC

Tin,

All my hard work has finally paid off!!!

))

Tony

1159: DC 21 to ADW Twr...reports gear down for the option and says he'll stay on this freq "for the rest of the day"...118.4