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In reply to above: <<Dave, I think they're coming your way to the Duke. There may be another flight of three just ahead or behind the FLYER flight.>>

TinEar,
Thanks for the heads up, but I had to go to the doctor with my wife...nothing serious, routine baby check. I'll catch them the next time they're up.

Have a great weekend y'all,
Dave
 

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Turned the scanners back on around 1900 and found several changes in the GUARD DOG CAP if you're following it....

ARROW 21 and 22 (F-15, 33rd Fighter Wing, Eglin AFB FL) are now the fighter pair.
TANKER 12 is the refueler
HUNTRESS controls the action but has moved the CAP - along with the boom frequency for refueling - to «228.9»
At 1918, the ARROWs are heading for the tanker's boom to refuel. And at 1926 ARROW 21 has completed filling his tanks and is back in the CAP. ARROW 22 is heading to the boom.

New UHF freq for BWI Ground Control 377.075 (paired with 121.9) Submitted to database.
 
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Great catch on that BWI frequency, Al. I had ARROW 21 earlier on <<288.35>> giving out position and flight levels, but that freq has been quiet for quite some time now. It would appear that it's going to be a quiet CAP - darn it....

By the way, notice that the new BWI freq fits the .025 bandplan that was talked about in MT some time ago. We can expect to see more changes like this coming down the pike. 73s Mike
 

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Interesting to hear they did use the 288.35 freq again. It was unusual for the BRAVE pair from Andrews to use the 362.3 freq to enter the GUARD DOG CAP instead of 288.35. I was wondering if there was a change but apparently not.

Re 377.075: I feel fairly sure it's new just because I often have a scanner running through that portion of the band looking for MilAir activity and have never run across it before. Notice though, we had no listed freq for BWI Ground UHF before this. I found it while searching for the air-to-air freq for the ARROW pair in the CAP. They don't seem to be using the 369.15 freq for that function as they have in the past. Still looking.

2005: TANKER 13 is on his way to the CAP. He's 80 miles out at this time and reports his boom is green. (That's a hint to let 12 leave.) «228.9»
2008: TANKER 12 (Female driver) to GUARD DOG controller on «135.525» to say she'll be RTBing in about 5 minutes and is looking for direct Montebello at 34,000 feet.
2009: TANKER 12 (Male speaker) released by HUNTRESS to RTB «228.9»
2009: TANKER 12 (Female speaker) reports climbing to 25,000 and heading for Montebello. «135.525» Minute later cleared to 30,000 feet.
2012: TANKER 13 checks in with GUARD DOG controller on «135.525» at 25,000 feet.
2042: Confirmation the ARROW F-15s are using air-to-air «369.15» as they have in the past. I've been sitting on this freq and it's the first use they've made of it since I turned on at 1900. One of these guys is an ex Langley F-15 driver that flew the CAPs from there.

2103: Both F-15 pilots complaining about being cold..."freezing my ass off"....according to one of them «369.15». Apparently, neither has a working heater. But they're from Florida...who needs heat?
2107: ARROW 21 heading for TANKER 13 to fill his tanks. «228.9»
2111: ARROW 21 reports his tail number as EG 80-0003 and ARROW 22's tail number as EG 80-0005. «228.9» 21 wants 10,000 pounds.
2114: ARROW 21 talking to ARROW 23 who is on his way to the area. «369.15» ARROW 22 going to the boom «228.9»
2123: ARROW 23 and 24 chatting on «369.15» and then 23 talks with 21 on «228.9» ARROW 22 completes his refueling activity and adds that his squadron is the 60th of the 33rd Fighter Wing. «228.9»
2131: ARROW 23 reports proceeding as fragged - 10 minutes out from the CAP. «228.9»
2131: ARROW 23 with GUARD DOG on «288.35» for entrance to the CAP area.
2134: ARROW 23 to the tanker on «228.9» and 21 tells GUARD DOG his flight will RTB as soon as 23 gets off the tanker «288.35»
2135: ARROW 23 gives his tail number as 79-0037 and 24's as 79-0076 and confirms they are from the same squadron, same wing as the previous pair. «228.9» 23 goes to the boom and 24 is hanging on the tanker's left wing awaiting his turn.
2138: ARROW 23/24 changes boom freq to «320.6» because the 21/22 pair has a TOI they're chasing. (And nothing comes of it.)
2150: ARROW 23/24 have completed refueling «320.6» and check back in with HUNTRESS on «228.9»
2150: HUNTRESS wants to switch the CAP to 260.9 but the F-15s veto that.
2152: 23/24 now have the CAP and 21/22 are preparing to leave «228.9»

Anything further will be logged below....
 
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I'll confirm that 369.15 - RadioMax just alerted me on its use, and I've got several recordings on it. In fact, this is the first time it's been used in a while. Thank heavens for history files! 73s Mike
 

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307.25

Hey Guy's,
Does anyone know what or who is on 307.25?
Every once in a while the radio will stop on this freq.I don't hear any audio or voice.

Thanx,
Jack

Thanx Tin.
 
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I label 288.35 and 135.525 as GUARD DOG Control since that's what they're used for but they're really Washington Center freqs with a transmitter located at Falls Church VA.
 

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Earlier, ARROW 21 and 22 were complaining about hearing HUNTRESS simulcasting on the «228.9» freq. Now I know what they were hearing. There is also a CAP taking place in Michigan with F-16s from WI and then from MI. (JUDGE and CHEVY callsigns). They are also using 228.9. There was even a reference from the ARROW flight about something happening because of the F-16 SADL. It all makes sense now. Curious though why they'd use the same freq in both areas.
 

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Which suggests that they might move off frequency to avoid stepping on one another (causes loud hets and mixing - remember, AM!). Maybe they'll use something new tomorrow....things have gone quiet here, as of 0333 UTC (10:30 local) CU all in the morning...73s Mike
 

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2326: Just heard that TANKER 14 is from Wichita Kansas and they'll be replaced by a SKATER KC-135 from Bangor Maine. Don't know why the Bangor KC-135s always use the SKATER callsign rather than TANKER but they do it wherever they happen to be working a CAP. Anyway, TANKER 14 is anxious about the weather in Wichita so wants to get out of here as quickly as possible. «228.9»
2327: ARROW 24 is talking with CHEVY 23 which is one of the aircraft in the Michigan CAP. CHEVYs are F-16s from the MI-ANG at Selfridge. «228.9»
 

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To add to the congestion....I just saw on milcom that there's a CAP over NYC using 260.9, and one in Kentucky using 228.9 You would think with the numerous freqs that Huntress has available that they'd assign discrete freqs for each region's mission, but I guess not. 73s Mike
 

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In in 0030-0100 time frame they were once again discuss refueling issues. The next scheduled tanker was going to be two hours late. The current tanker pilot was approaching his flight time limit, plus he is scheduled to be back sometime later tonight.

I fell asleep before finding out how they dealt with the situation.
 

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As of 10:15 local time we have Arrow 35/36 in the pattern. Both <<228.9>> and <288.35>> have been quite busy this morning; not nearly so much chatter on the <<369.15>> freq we heard so much on last nite. Also had a flight (didn't catch the callsign) on <<311.0>> (CP Common) saying they were inbound and were 70 miles out - maybe one of the Langley guys, or perhaps an Elgin flight stopping at Langley for fuel (didn't mention they needed it, but it could have been just a heads up)

A note for you NY lurkers - one of the pilots on 228.9 was evidently talking to his NY counterpart, and mentioned that <<271.0>> would be 'Blue' frequency. We've noted this freq before being used in the NY CAPs. 73s Mike
 

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Apparently, that CAP over Michigan last night was not a CAP at all. They were shadowing an off-course private aircraft that eventually crashed in West Virginia. There's a story about it here:
http://sundaygazettemail.com/section/News/200603187

Putting two and two together and maybe coming up with five....remember last night when ARROW 23/24 were just coming on station and were made to switch refueling freqs because ARROW 21 was being sent after a TOI and needed the primary freq? I wonder if he was being sent to take a look at the scene in West Virginia?

I think that refueling problem last night was solved by bringing a second tanker into the area - SKATER 01. At first, I thought he was a replacement for TANKER 14 but 14 stayed around even after SKATER came in and refueled the fighter pair and then left the area.

Random thought: I wonder if the Air Force will ever get around to actually replacing the old and frail KC-135s instead of just talking about it. The tanker folks in the Air Force all agree the KC-135 is the right size and they don't need tankers the size of the KC-10 which is out of production anyway. They're spending a lot of money reworking the E models into R models but it still leaves a frame that's about 50 years old.

1327: ARROW 27/28 in the process of refueling and preparing to take over the CAP from 35/36. TANKER 18 currently has refueling duty. The new ARROW flight was heard about 10 minutes earlier on their air-to-air 369.15 freq as they approached the CAP area. Tail numbers are 79-0037 for ARROW 27 and 79-0066 for 28.
1330: Have a pair of aircraft radio checking on the Boeing (Wilmington) Test Flight freq «321.7»
1338: The ARROW 35/36 pair worked their clearance back to Eglin with GUARD DOG on «288.35» as normal but then were sent to Washington Center on «307.025» where they made contact. From there it was over to ZDC-Gordonsville on «351.9»
At first I thought the 307.025 freq was a mistake and that they really should have been on 307.25 (ZDC-DuPont) but they did come up and make contact on the 307.025 freq with Center where they checked in and reported FL280 as their altitude.
They also are using «338.75» as an air-to-air chat freq on their way home. This freq can be added to that unit's tac list along with 369.15.
1354: REACH 3127 arriving McGuire with Command Post on «319.4» Report they'll arrive at 20 after the hour, are A-1, have no pax or cargo, need a crew bus and parking spot.
1359: Martin State A-10s up on tac «142.3»

1402: The Martin State A-10s are with FSS (Flight Service Station) on «255.4» but are too low and weak to copy.
1408: TANKER 18 calling HUNTRESS to request RTB. «228.9»
1409: TANKER 19 with GUARD DOG on «135.525» at FL260 and requesting freq for HUNTRESS. Gets 228.9.
1410: TANKER 19 to HUNTRESS on «228.9» to report he's 42 miles from the IP.
1411: TANKER 18 requests FL350 and direct Lincoln (NE) «228.9» This probably makes him part of the 155th Air Refueling Wing NE-ANG at Lincoln.
1412: TANKER 18 (same) to GUARD DOG on «135.525»
1413: Theres an aircraft with Martin State Tower on «121.3» that's reporting a major fire - he says it's about 5 miles north of Martin State. He then says there's about a dozen cars on fire.
(I've been poking around the Harford County TRS but hear nothing on their fire freqs about this fire.)
1424: ARROW 27 heading for TANKER 19 to refuel. 19 wanted him to change to 260.9 for the boom freq but 27 vetoed that and wants to stay right here on «228.9». 19 is okay with that.
1441: ARROW 28 heading for TANKER 19 to refuel «228.9»

By the way, there's a NOTAM out that aircraft contacting the Command Post at Andrews should use 141.55 (and not the 378.1 freq) from now through midnight on Wednesday, March 22nd.

NOTE: That fire mentioned above is apparently within Baltimore County. Operations are on their TRS TG 624, 656 and 688. They are mentioning cars on fire but I think it pertains to a junkyard or just junked cars somewhere. They have mutual aid from at least BWI Airport's Fire Department. Need the foam trucks. Also have TROOPER 1 from MPS at the scene. Harford County is also mutual aid to this fire.
I have the fire up on the webcast as of 1456...off at 1636.

1504: Navy refueling freq «123.525» active. No callsigns heard yet.
1533: PAIN 11 (spelled callsign) to Leesburg Radio on FSS freq «255.4» asking for winds aloft at FL 260 and FL 300. Says he's currently over Baltimore. Leesburg Radio replies with the winds while transmitting from the BWI antenna. (I have no listing for the PAIN callsign.)
Found PAIN in a different database which indicates it's an E3 type aircraft from the 552nd at Tinker AFB OK.
1537: The CAP just moved to «260.9» ARROW 27/28 and TANKER 19 are all there.
1542: Raven Ops talking to A-10s on the ground at Martin State «347.2» He's talking to AXEMAN 2. (I can hear the ground station but not the aircraft.)
1554: ARROW 27 with TANKER 19 to top off his tanks again «260.9»
1558: Four A-10s coming home to Martin State with Raven Ops on «347.2» 1 is Code 2, the other three are Code 1. They are at very low alitutude and very weak.

1604: ARROW 28 to the tanker for topoff. «260.9»
1608: A-10 flight landing at Martin State with Tower on «297.2» Callsign COLT.
1616: TANKER 19 tells ARROW 27 that he saw a problem while 27 was disconnecting from the boom. There was a slight delay. As a result, this automatically disqualifies 27 from refueling again with this tanker. ARROW 27 relays this info to HUNTRESS that since he can't refuel again, maybe they should make preparations for a replacement. Further discussion reveals that ARROW 27 has enough gas now to allow him to finish out his shift and, if necessary, he can refuel at Langley on his way home. «260.9»
1624: TANKER 19 calls HUNTRESS to say, "We've got a sick boom. Our boom is broken." «260.9»
1627: ARROW 27 calls HUNTRESS to announce they've only got 30 minutes of playtime due to fuel if they consider the trip home. If they plan to refuel at Langley on the way home, they have two hours of playtime. «260.9» They ask when HUNTRESS expects the next tanker to show up. Can't hear HUNTRESS so couldn't hear the reply to that question.
1629: ARROW 28 asks where the next tanker is coming from...maybe they can meet it on the way here to get enough fuel to make it home. Then he mentions Pittsburgh and doesn't see how that will help. That apparently tells us where TANKER 20 will come from. «260.9» (They pull these KC-135s from all over the country for this GUARD DOG CAP)
1631: ARROW 27 and 28 go to tac «369.15» to confirm their math is correct about the playtime they have left. They also say if they have to go to Langley for fuel, they'll have to RON there due to crew rest requirements.
1631: TANKER 19 gets permission from HUNTRESS to RTB «260.9» They then switch to GUARD DOG on «135.525» to ask that Center starts working their clearance so they can RTB. They request FL280 on the way.
1634: TANKER 19 tells HUNTRESS they're about to leave now and are direct Tinker (OK) at this time. «260.9» They say the same to GUARD DOG on «135.525» but add direct Tulsa before direct Tinker.
That info should identify TANKER 19 as part of the 507th Air Refueling Wing of the Air Force Reserve unit stationed at Tinker AFB OK.

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OPEC-76 was the one chatting on 311.0 this morning. I had him loud and clear on my IC R-10 but not well at all with the BC250D. :confused:
 
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