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What is the difference between HAM radio and CB radio?

Is the range the difference? Seems like youcwould need a lot more 'kit' for HAM, and for CB only a unit and microphone.

Obviously I'm missing something big - what is it?
 

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Hi Mike,

To answer your question briefly, I’ll use me as the example. Upfront, I’ll disclose that I use both services. Each has its merits. I’ve been a ham for 49 years and a CBer for 52 years. Both are continuous runs. And I am fully legal, i.e. I am in full compliance with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) rules and regulations (here in the United States).

For CB radio here in the States, I am limited to 4 watts for AM and FM modes, and 12 watts on LSB and USB modes. Frequency wise, CB radio here in the States is in the 11 Meter band.

For ham radio here in the States, as a stark comparison, I can run up to 1,500 watts on the 10 Meter band, just “up the road” from the CB 11 Meter band. In addition, hams here in the States enjoy many different bands that have different propagation characteristics that can be leveraged for many different objectives. Many hams with a General Class license or higher will be active on 160 Meters, 80 Meters, 40 Meters, 20 Meters, 15 Meters, 10 Meters, plus some additional High Frequency (HF) bands on newer radios typically referred to as WARC bands. Most frequencies are authorized for up to 1,500 watt transmissions.

The quick “takeaway” is hams can run much more power than CBers and do so legally. And if you compare the 40 channel CB radio here in the States to a ham radio, the ham radio would have multiple thousands upon thousands of channels (albeit ham radios are not channelized for the most part and can tune to any frequency within the band of operation).

Two of my radios in my “shack” are the President McKinley II FCC which is a CB radio running 4 watts or 12 watts depending on the mode of operation on 11 Meters and the other radio is the President Lincoln II+ which is a ham radio running up to 50 watts on the 10 Meter and 12 Meter bands. Both are equally enjoyable to use because of friends made over the radio.

In closing, I know and somebody will probably say that the President Lincoln II+ can easily be modified to “unlock” the 11 Meter band for CB operations. While this is true, it is NOT legal to do so and transmit on CB frequencies using up to 50 watts of power here in the States. Even if you were to lower the power to 4 watts on AM or FM modes, or 12 watts on LSB or USB, it is still NOT legal because the President Lincoln II+ radio is not “type accepted” for use on CB frequencies.

I’ll leave it at that. For me, I go by the book. Besides, one of my friends is a FCC Field Agent who does on occasion have cause to knock on somebody’s front door. They come prepared, confiscate illegal transmitters and amplifiers, and generally level some hefty fines while sometimes also canceling the ham’s FCC license. Bummer!

That is a brief look at CB radio versus ham radio here in the States. There is only so much that you can do with CB radio. But it is still fun to have around. For ham radio, when you can talk to the International Space Station (ISS), bounce radio signals off of the moon or a meteor’s tail, transmit pictures to far away continents and countries, etc.; well let’s just say that in ham radio you will never have time to try out everything that there is to do. And last but not least, adults play with big toys that cost big bucks. You can spend a LOT of money in ham radio to play in all of the sandboxes. While CB radio can cost some big bucks for nice or vintage gear, I’m convinced that ham radio is by far the more expensive hobby if you go hog wild buying all that there is to play with.

If I were you, I would probably get an entry level ham license. If that allows you to operate voice on 10 Meters and/or 12 Meters, I would then get the two radios mentioned in this post if they are legal in your country. Start small, learn the skills of antenna building and/or selecting, learn the operating skills for each, etc. After a year or two, you should know if you want to go the CB route, the ham route, or even perhaps both like me.

73, Dave K4EET
 

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Thank you for the responses guys. It's easy for a new guy like me to get lost in everything.

I think I'm going to stick to shortwave listening for now and revisit CB / HAM when I am a little more seasoned.
 

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Hi Mike,

To answer your question briefly, I’ll use me as the example. Upfront, I’ll disclose that I use both services. Each has its merits. I’ve been a ham for 49 years and a CBer for 52 years. Both are continuous runs. And I am fully legal, i.e. I am in full compliance with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) rules .............

................................4 radios mentioned in this post if they are legal in your country. Start small, learn the skills of antenna building and/or selecting, learn the operating skills for each, etc. After a year or two, you should know if you want to go the CB route, the ham route, or even perhaps both like me.

73, Dave K4EET
Very nice write up Dave. I too enjoy both services and just prefer to keep them separate.

On thing that you did not spell out... and might be of interest to the original poster.....
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Since most ham bands are harmonically related it is possible to use multi-band antennas. That way a single antenna can serve on a number of the bands. You may not catch them all "perfectly" ... but you can do well on several. For this reason you will see a lot of hams use antenna tuners where you don't see them in CB so much. The reason being... with a multi band ham antenna.. you may need a little "help" matching an antenna to the radio on one band or another. The tuner doesn't make the antenna any "better".... it just makes them look better to the radio. Most CB antennas are single band since there are no other harmonic bands that line up with it. With a monoband antenna you can trim it to get a really good match on its own... so you don't so much need a tuner... unless you want to play with long wire antennas... which you can certainly do if you wish!

73, Bob, AI5RR
 

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CB is restricted to a 460 Khz segment of the 11 meter band. Max EIRP is 4 watts AM and FM, 12 watts PEP SSB.
HAM (amateur) is vastly different covering many segments of the spectrum and power levels from 2 watt to 1Kw
You can find graphic charts here.
Note this is US and other countries have different allocations.
 

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To add to this discussion, CB radio is "licensed by rule", meaning they expect you to follow FCC regulations but no actual license is required. You can talk to others on a CB radio or to family members on just about any subject matter. Business, pleasure, recreation, the family farm, a camping trip ... just about anything qualifies. Ham radio is very different. Every user must be licensed and have a certain amount of technical understanding to pass an exam for the initial license. Communication between licensed hams is welcome. A non-ham cannot use a ham radio without direct supervision from a licensed ham. You can't use ham radio for business communications involving your landscaping business or the family farm even if every user is a licensed ham. You can't hand a ham portable to your (non-ham) son or your cousin because you're going on a hike in the wilderness or you're four-wheeling on the trails and might need communication. One big question is "what do I want to accomplish with my radios" then try to see whether CB, GMRS, FRS, a commercial radio service, cell phones, or ham radio best fits the bill.
 

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Thank you for the responses guys. It's easy for a new guy like me to get lost in everything.

I think I'm going to stick to shortwave listening for now and revisit CB / HAM when I am a little more seasoned.
Getting your first level "technician" HAM license is relatively easy. It's not a deep dive into the science of radio but more of a general rules overview that allows you to operate on relatively close areas. I would speculate that "most" people get their (no morse code) tech license and stop there. If you want to go further and get more (legal) access to other bands and really stretch your distance, you continue to study/learn and test for the next levels.

Also, I'll mention the biggest layman/basic difference is that HAM radio typically (can) uses a repeater tower with different input and output frequencies. Whereas CB radio is point to point (radio directly to another radio, no repeater tower involved). Yes, HAM can be point to point depending on how you do it and the band you're operating on, but there are no repeaters for CB.

I'll skip all of the politics arguing that being an active HAM can bring up but I'll say it is interesting and enlightening. PLUS, you get to learn about the ever popular "73s!" addition to anything and everything you ever say from that point forward.

73s,
KI5ODU
 
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CB is a bit of both worlds. There are those that with their base stations are on Sideband only looking for distant contacts. A form of use almost exclusive. Tech discussions re performance appear same as with HAM.

Then (of course) those who’s use is almost entirely mobile. Wild West, at times. Those at work and those traveling.

Radio is participatory. There’s no true understanding without jumping into the water with whatever service chosen.

If one owns a car, then a CB ought to be installed. Any person, any situation.

A base station is potentially more work, but opens a broader world.

Installations of each should be to the standard needed for almost any other service. (Options kept open).

There’s no end to interesting discussions from at a general level right down to parsing the sub-atomic when it comes to radio. Boyhood to manhood to near-decrepitude, the mirror is available.

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Hi Mike,

To answer your question briefly, I’ll use me as the example. Upfront, I’ll disclose that I use both services. Each has its merits. I’ve been a ham for 49 years and a CBer for 52 years. Both are continuous runs. And I am fully legal, i.e. I am in full compliance with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) rules and regulations (here in the United States).

For CB radio here in the States, I am limited to 4 watts for AM and FM modes, and 12 watts on LSB and USB modes. Frequency wise, CB radio here in the States is in the 11 Meter band.

For ham radio here in the States, as a stark comparison, I can run up to 1,500 watts on the 10 Meter band, just “up the road” from the CB 11 Meter band. In addition, hams here in the States enjoy many different bands that have different propagation characteristics that can be leveraged for many different objectives. Many hams with a General Class license or higher will be active on 160 Meters, 80 Meters, 40 Meters, 20 Meters, 15 Meters, 10 Meters, plus some additional High Frequency (HF) bands on newer radios typically referred to as WARC bands. Most frequencies are authorized for up to 1,500 watt transmissions.

The quick “takeaway” is hams can run much more power than CBers and do so legally. And if you compare the 40 channel CB radio here in the States to a ham radio, the ham radio would have multiple thousands upon thousands of channels (albeit ham radios are not channelized for the most part and can tune to any frequency within the band of operation).

Two of my radios in my “shack” are the President McKinley II FCC which is a CB radio running 4 watts or 12 watts depending on the mode of operation on 11 Meters and the other radio is the President Lincoln II+ which is a ham radio running up to 50 watts on the 10 Meter and 12 Meter bands. Both are equally enjoyable to use because of friends made over the radio.

In closing, I know and somebody will probably say that the President Lincoln II+ can easily be modified to “unlock” the 11 Meter band for CB operations. While this is true, it is NOT legal to do so and transmit on CB frequencies using up to 50 watts of power here in the States. Even if you were to lower the power to 4 watts on AM or FM modes, or 12 watts on LSB or USB, it is still NOT legal because the President Lincoln II+ radio is not “type accepted” for use on CB frequencies.

I’ll leave it at that. For me, I go by the book. Besides, one of my friends is a FCC Field Agent who does on occasion have cause to knock on somebody’s front door. They come prepared, confiscate illegal transmitters and amplifiers, and generally level some hefty fines while sometimes also canceling the ham’s FCC license. Bummer!

That is a brief look at CB radio versus ham radio here in the States. There is only so much that you can do with CB radio. But it is still fun to have around. For ham radio, when you can talk to the International Space Station (ISS), bounce radio signals off of the moon or a meteor’s tail, transmit pictures to far away continents and countries, etc.; well let’s just say that in ham radio you will never have time to try out everything that there is to do. And last but not least, adults play with big toys that cost big bucks. You can spend a LOT of money in ham radio to play in all of the sandboxes. While CB radio can cost some big bucks for nice or vintage gear, I’m convinced that ham radio is by far the more expensive hobby if you go hog wild buying all that there is to play with.

If I were you, I would probably get an entry level ham license. If that allows you to operate voice on 10 Meters and/or 12 Meters, I would then get the two radios mentioned in this post if they are legal in your country. Start small, learn the skills of antenna building and/or selecting, learn the operating skills for each, etc. After a year or two, you should know if you want to go the CB route, the ham route, or even perhaps both like me.

73, Dave K4EET
great explanation... you have a friend that is a FCC Field Agent????.... I didn't know they had any! hope I never meet him.... could you tell him about the idiot that uses 20,000 watts on channel 19 ( guessing the power) they have super bowl on 6 and 11... why is that idiot ruining 19 for people... he is the only guy in the country that can talk on it... it's awful, no one can give traffic or directions can't talk to other people on 19 for emergencies or anything... all I hear is going back to the bench... I wish his bench would fall on him!
 

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great explanation... you have a friend that is a FCC Field Agent????.... I didn't know they had any! hope I never meet him.... could you tell him about the idiot that uses 20,000 watts on channel 19 ( guessing the power) they have super bowl on 6 and 11... why is that idiot ruining 19 for people... he is the only guy in the country that can talk on it... it's awful, no one can give traffic or directions can't talk to other people on 19 for emergencies or anything... all I hear is going back to the bench... I wish his bench would fall on him!

Ignore the content and note those who also jams up AM-19 supposedly complaining about him (Mark Sherman, Duck Dick in the Desert). His Window Licker crew earns in cash or in kind to F up 19 around the clock, 24/7/365.

Interfering with those on the road is inexcusable. Working men, or family men, we all need timely info.

One works past it in tech, and in not allowing one’s self to be worn down.

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