Tagging Corp of Engineers frequencies?
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ecps92
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Something to add for the new DB Admin Guide.
Ok, so since we're playing name that category... What about Coast Guard? Is that Military?
It is military although for the most part it seems closely affiliated with the civilian world. Think of it generally this way, if it is an "armed service", then it is military. Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard all all armed services. Corps of Engineers, US Health Service, etc., although a "uniform services" are not armed and should not be considered military for the purposes of the DB.Something to add for the new DB Admin Guide.
Ok, so since we're playing name that category... What about Coast Guard? Is that Military?
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The Coast Guard is the auxiliary to the U.S. Navy, and it is armed, which clearly makes it military.
The Civil Air Patrol is the auxiliary to the U.S. Air Force, but it is not armed. I would still classify it as military.
The Civil Air Patrol is the auxiliary to the U.S. Air Force, but it is not armed. I would still classify it as military.
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Tagging Corps of Engineers
I thought you were recruiting a new group of DB volunteers. :twisted:
I thought you were recruiting a new group of DB volunteers. :twisted:
It is military although for the most part it seems closely affiliated with the civilian world. Think of it generally this way, if it is an "armed service", then it is military. Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard all all armed services. Corps of Engineers, US Health Service, etc., although a "uniform services" are not armed and should not be considered military for the purposes of the DB.
Ok, let's flesh this out some more. Eventually these department listings can be included in the new guide. According to Wikipedia, USCG reports to DHS:
United States Coast Guard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...now generally, DHS would be federal and not military, right?
btw, I agree with USCG being military, just trying to understand the lines better...
Ah, an exception that helps prove the rule. I agree that CAP would be military when it comes to air-operations, and some other activities, but there is also a lot of civilian component to that also. I am not sure, exactly, what Eric or Lindsay thinks about CAP or MARS VHF/UHF operations so I will admit I am not clear on that point.
You are now dealing with the confusion caused by post 9/11 reorganizations. The lines, when it comes to DHS, are just blurry. They (DHS) have at their disposal quite a large pool of resources, so you really need to go down one level to see what the agency does as opposed to who the boss is. Clearly the Secret Service is civilian, but they belong to DHS as they have never been considered an "armed service" even though they are armed. The USCG, on the other hand have always been considered (at least since WWII) an armed service, even if normally each individual is not armed. Again, it is more a perception and task oriented than cut and dry.
I agree it is confusing, which is why we should pick confusing examples and just provide guidelines.
One thing I want to see that we *don't* do is to split classify an agency. In your CAP example above, where there are some military and federal components, I wouldn't want to split the hairs and pick some frequencies as Military and some as Federal. I think we just pick a single affiliation and go with it.
And if we're voting, I'd make CAP a Federal tag.
I apologize for posting on a on thread but I saw something that I feel must be corrected.
The Coast Guard is NOT and has NEVER been an auxiliary to the U.S. Navy. In fact the Coast Guard has its own auxiliary, named the U.S. Coast Guard Auxiliary.
The Coast Guard CAN be transferred to the Navy in a time of far. This was last done in WW2. That being said Coast Guard units and personnel have been involved in every armed conflict that the United States has been in.
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Something to add for the new DB Admin Guide.
Ok, so since we're playing name that category... What about Coast Guard? Is that Military?
The five uniformed services that make up the Armed Forces are defined in 10 U.S.C. § 101(a)(4):
The term "armed forces" means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard.
The Coast Guard is further defined by 14 U.S.C. § 1:
The Coast Guard as established 28 January 1915, shall be a MILITARY service and a branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times. The Coast Guard shall be a service in the Department of Homeland Security, except when operating as a service in the Navy.
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