Talkgroup IDs P25 Manitoba

[VA4JOE]

I have been monitoring the Winkler, Manitoba P25 node and have a small but growing list of TGIDs that are all unidentified because the system is encrypted. I am wondering if anybody knows of somewhere on the internet where these TGIDs are identified with the user agencies. I notice that none of the P25 groups that are listed on this website come up, so I wonder if most of the TGIDs are local in nature.

Here is my list so far:

1520 Unknown1
1711 Unknown2
1771 Unknown3
1773 Unknown4
1774 Unknown5
1776 Unknown6
1891 Unknown7
1899 Unknown8
1902 Unknown9
1915 Unknown10
2204 Unknown11
2226 Unknown12
2542 Unknown13
28017 Unknown14
40005 Unknown15
40018 Unknown16
40019 Unknown17
40021 Unknown18
40038 Unknown19
40053 Unknown20
41204 Unknown21
41241 Unknown22
41243 Unknown23
41477 Unknown24
41477 Unknown25
42050 Unknown26
42063 Unknown27
42060 Unknown28

Any Idea who they might be? =)

 

[mciupa]

From their website it shows:

Who will be the users of PSCS?​

PSCS may include a broad range of Government and Non-Government agencies, all of which contribute to public safety of Manitobans.

• Category 1 users (police, fire, and emergency medical services) permitted to use the 700 MHz radio service on the PSCS System.
• Category 2 users (forestry, public works, public transit, hazardous material clean-up, border protection and other agencies contributing to public safety).
• Category 3 users (other government agencies and certain non-government agencies) may be permitted to access to the PSCS System during emergency situations where their access is controlled by a Category 1 user.

Looking at the Brandon Fire in the 40000 series, maybe various Fire Services are in that range.

 

[BC_Scan]

My friend (VA4JOE), if you look at Alberta's equivalent system, people have been actively ID'ing RCMP ENC all over the place through a variety of methods , SDR, etc
Unless you meet a programmer of said system and see program sheet for each agency, we will never know.
If you had a radio on hand and went through all the channels with scanner/SDR and looked at talk group pop up we will never know. It's those that sleuth through this all that figure it out.
Said agency will never generally release this as it's need to know, so likely we will never know.

 

[VA4JOE]

My friend (VA4JOE), if you look at Alberta's equivalent system, people have been actively ID'ing RCMP ENC all over the place through a variety of methods , SDR, etc
Unless you meet a programmer of said system and see program sheet for each agency, we will never know.
If you had a radio on hand and went through all the channels with scanner/SDR and looked at talk group pop up we will never know. It's those that sleuth through this all that figure it out.
Said agency will never generally release this as it's need to know, so likely we will never know.

How could those Albertans find that out with just a SDR if it is encrypted? One way I can think of is if you can get close enough to them when they are transmitting, monitor the input frequency with GQRX and when you see a transmission happening check OP25 to see what TGID is active. Might need two SDRs for that.

 

[VA4JOE]

Here is an updated list if anyone is able or willing to identify the talkgroup ID's with their corresponding entity for the Winkler area P25 Node:

1520 Unknown1
1711 Unknown2
1771 Unknown3
1772 Unknown4
1773 Unknown5
1774 Unknown6
1776 Unknown7
1785 Unknown8
1891 Unknown9
1899 Unknown10
1900 Unknown11
1902 Unknown12
1911 Unknown13
1915 Unknown14
2204 Unknown15
2226 Unknown16
2542 Unknown17
26360 Unknown18
28011 Unknown19
28017 Unknown20
40005 Unknown21
40018 Unknown22
40019 Unknown23
40021 Unknown24
40034 Unknown25
40035 Unknown26
40038 Unknown27
40053 Unknown28
40224 Unknown29
40225 Unknown30
41002 Unknown31
41204 Unknown32
41241 Unknown33
41243 Unknown34
41477 Special35
42050 Unknown36
42051 Unknown37
42060 Unknown38
42063 Unknown39

 

[VA4JOE]

Talkgroup 41477 uses these radios:

103202
103203
103204
103206
103208
103213

 

[VA4JOE]

Found talkgroup 6061 with these radios, 80503,80504 operating in digital clear. Think they might be Manitoba Transportation and Infrastructure department.

 

[VA4JOE]

Spreadsheet data from LibreOffice Calc with Talkgroup ID's along with radios id's for the Winkler P25 Node in PDF file.