Is there a list of RWC talkgroup site permissions? I'm programming my G5 and as I move around the valley im trying to program talkgroups to sites they are allowed to affiliate to. Does anyone have a list of talkgroup permissions?
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KB7MIB
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I don't have a list per se, but generally speaking I have found in the West Valley, the West Valley PD's (excepting Buckeye, which is encrypted anyway) are primary on Simulcast G, and Glendale/Peoria/Tolleson/Avondale PD's are also on Simulcast B. Peoria and Surprise PD's can also be found on the White Tank Mtn's IR, and Peoria can also be found on the Towers Mtn IR at least part time. Peoria can also be found on the Quintero IR if a unit is in that community. (Goodyear is encrypted, but can be found on both Simulcasts G and J. I'm not sure if they're also on Simulcast B. Buckeye is encrypted but is on Simulcast J, as well as the White Tank Mtn's IR at least part time.)
Chandler, Tempe, and Scottsdale PD's are primarily on Simulcasts C, F, and H respectively, and a few TG's can be found on Simulcast B again. I'm not sure if Scottsdale can be found on F, if Tempe can be found on H or C, or if Chandler can be found on F.
Conversely, Phoenix PD is primarily in Simulcast A, but 200/(300 when it was active)/800/900 A & B can be found on Simulcast G, and I believe 600 A & B can be found on Simulcast H, 700 A & B can be found on Simulcast F, and 400 A & B can be found on Simulcast C. 200 A & B can be found on the Thompson Peak IR.
Phoenix FD K-decks can be found on Simulcasts B, C, F, G, H and J. I've heard K-2 on the White Tank Mtn's and Thompson Peak IR's, and I've heard K-1 and K-6 on the Towers Mtn IR at least part time. They can probably be heard on the Quintero IR if they're in that community.
I've driven up to the Qunitero community, and the IR is active with a control channel, but has always been dead silent when I was there, although Simulcast G and the White Tanks IR were active and in use, so apparently, a unit has to be in the community for the IR there to carry a TG.
John
Peoria
Chandler, Tempe, and Scottsdale PD's are primarily on Simulcasts C, F, and H respectively, and a few TG's can be found on Simulcast B again. I'm not sure if Scottsdale can be found on F, if Tempe can be found on H or C, or if Chandler can be found on F.
Conversely, Phoenix PD is primarily in Simulcast A, but 200/(300 when it was active)/800/900 A & B can be found on Simulcast G, and I believe 600 A & B can be found on Simulcast H, 700 A & B can be found on Simulcast F, and 400 A & B can be found on Simulcast C. 200 A & B can be found on the Thompson Peak IR.
Phoenix FD K-decks can be found on Simulcasts B, C, F, G, H and J. I've heard K-2 on the White Tank Mtn's and Thompson Peak IR's, and I've heard K-1 and K-6 on the Towers Mtn IR at least part time. They can probably be heard on the Quintero IR if they're in that community.
I've driven up to the Qunitero community, and the IR is active with a control channel, but has always been dead silent when I was there, although Simulcast G and the White Tanks IR were active and in use, so apparently, a unit has to be in the community for the IR there to carry a TG.
John
Peoria
Are they actually restricted to specific sites though? What happens when a Scottsdale car goes out to Buckeye for some reason, will he affiliate then with the far west sites or be locked out?
I assume the IR sites are restricted to specific talkgroups but I would imagine the main sites are not or at least more permissive.
I assume the IR sites are restricted to specific talkgroups but I would imagine the main sites are not or at least more permissive.
Yes, not all talkgroups are allowed on all sites. In the Scottsdale example their talkgroups may be allowed on white tanks. I tried this with an RWC radio in buckeye before. Phoenix PD A4 affiliated to simulcast C, when I switched to A5 the radio was either out of range or would only affiliate to simulcast A.
From my understanding, the layout of city to site as we know it is correct, and to overcome the restrictions, a unit must advise their dispatcher when an out of area trip is taken (for multiple reasons), which has the ability to allow for the site roaming of a given talkgroup. Only then will anything beyond what we have mapped out will work past the geographical limits and system restrictions of sites/talkgroups.
With that, I have seen Adam 5 work all the way in Mesa on South Mountain. I happen to know the officer I was with did inform his dispatcher of the departure from the city. The officer said usually they have them move to a system wide talkgroup such as one of the Ocean deck. He was under the impression, as am I, that the Inop decks are system wide automatically. Neither of us figured out if the dispatcher picked that site, or it's what the system wanted. Where we were in Mesa, F or H would have worked fine. Maybe it was availability related?
Now, this was last year, things may have changed.
With that, I have seen Adam 5 work all the way in Mesa on South Mountain. I happen to know the officer I was with did inform his dispatcher of the departure from the city. The officer said usually they have them move to a system wide talkgroup such as one of the Ocean deck. He was under the impression, as am I, that the Inop decks are system wide automatically. Neither of us figured out if the dispatcher picked that site, or it's what the system wanted. Where we were in Mesa, F or H would have worked fine. Maybe it was availability related?
Now, this was last year, things may have changed.
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I've heard Peoria officers tell their dispatcher that certain TG's won't work too far outside the city. A-1 seems to work Valley-wide, but if they want to go to Info A-2 with another dispatcher or Car-to-Car A-5 with another officer, they're frequently out of luck. (I hear this occasionally with officers or PSO's doing jail runs to 4th Ave.) They either have to use A-1, or use a cell phone.
A-6 is listed as Metro, and is supposed to work Valley-wide, but I think it's been usurped by detectives for their needs outside of the city, as it's frequently encrypted now. (That's kind of my fault. I had heard clear surveillance comms on that TG, so I mentioned it to a friend of mine who is now a retired officer, who I believed passed it on for their safety and the integrity of their surveillance/investigations. I don't know if the encryption is strapped to the TG now, or selected on a per radio basis.) I'm not sure of the other TG's in their lineup.
John
Peoria
A-6 is listed as Metro, and is supposed to work Valley-wide, but I think it's been usurped by detectives for their needs outside of the city, as it's frequently encrypted now. (That's kind of my fault. I had heard clear surveillance comms on that TG, so I mentioned it to a friend of mine who is now a retired officer, who I believed passed it on for their safety and the integrity of their surveillance/investigations. I don't know if the encryption is strapped to the TG now, or selected on a per radio basis.) I'm not sure of the other TG's in their lineup.
John
Peoria
A mobile or portable should have no problem affiliating to simulcast A in Mesa. When I worked for MCDOT I would frequently leave the APX mobile in the truck on L1 and was able to affiliate to simulcast B from as far East as saguaro lake and as far west as Tonopah. If you get a chance again see if the mobiles have an RSSI soft key, that will tell you what site the radio is affiliated to.
Interesting, I certainly will! I can get my scanner to pick up A here and there. I'll check my XTS and APX today and see. It's only NA, so it may have the same result as the Uniden.
Oddly enough, and a bit off topic, I haven't been able to pick up anything on F lately. Neither of my scanners will lock onto the CC. I'll check that on the two Motorolas also.
Oddly enough, and a bit off topic, I haven't been able to pick up anything on F lately. Neither of my scanners will lock onto the CC. I'll check that on the two Motorolas also.
So maybe it's on a per-agency basis? Phoenix has different rules than Peoria? Phoenix will allow this and that, but Peoria only allows this, and Glendale doesn't allow any of it, blah blah so on.
Your Motorola's should, I'm at Sossaman and Baseline right now and my G5 is picking up A just fine. I'm picking up F also, no problem.
I'm getting PhxPD and Tempe PD just fine on the APX and XTS, need to see what sites.
A6 and B6 in their radios are labeled PEO ROAM and are wide area roaming talkgroups.
The traffic on G1 today, I was able to pick up on A, B F and H today on the scanner. I had to manually switch sites, and it had some issues keeping up on transmissions here and there. APX had no problem tracking it as I drove from Anthem to Mesa.
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