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Hello there. This is Coolguy. I have some questions that I would like answered. If anyone can answer them. I am from Chapleau.

1st: For the MNR TALKGROUPS: 2784, 2768 & 2771. Would anyone happen to know what the callsign or TALKGROUP NAME for it would be for around here in the Chapleau area or the Algoma area. Like for the OPP here in the Algoma area it is: 3OPS25.

2nd: Would anyone happen to know what Callsign or TALKGROUP NAME and Talkgroup is used in the Wawa, Timmins, Sault & Sudbury areas.

The reason why I am asking, is so I can Alpha Tag it with that so everytime they come on, I will know what TALKGROUP NAME they are on. I would really appreciate it.

I will be waiting for any replies to this E-mail. Thanks.

Coolguy.
 

jellotor

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Well, I can tell you from the start that 2771 isn't a valid talkgroup. You've been bitten by the (in)famous status bit bug...search the Eastern Canada forum for "status bit" and you'll be on the right track.
 

williams63

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Zone 3 Talkgroups

Ive been using , Mtrunker and dedicated a computer and a scanner to this project.

I have logged maany ID's , and yes many are MSEL's ...however many were not...

Ill post the log here...I am atill logging , and found MNR on 2772 doing sting OPS.

This log is for Zone 3 ( Sudbury )

;VER=3
;ID_hex,COLOR_dec,PRIO_dec,TITLE_str,LASTNOTED_hex,HITS_hex,USAGE_hex,ID_dec,ID

TALKGROUP DATE TIME

3,09/14/2006,19:47
5,09/14/2006,19:53
15,09/14/2006,17:50
17,09/18/2006,08:01
36,09/13/2006,15:15
58,09/18/2006,08:14
59,09/12/2006,10:18
63,09/12/2006,10:18
114,09/15/2006,19:43
131,09/15/2006,19:44
143,09/14/2006,17:56
697,09/14/2006,19:10
771,09/14/2006,19:53
1288,09/18/2006,10:30
1328,09/10/2006,11:20
1704,09/16/2006,16:51
2851,09/18/2006,07:58
3089,09/10/2006,18:24
3151,09/15/2006,00:30
3268,09/15/2006,20:25
3424,09/13/2006,21:26
3463,09/10/2006,18:24
3464,09/13/2006,15:38
3466,09/13/2006,14:28
3474,09/10/2006,12:40
3485,09/18/2006,08:54
3520,09/12/2006,15:11
3525,09/16/2006,18:47
3841,09/11/2006,14:53
3896,09/18/2006,09:01
3900,09/18/2006,10:37
3904,09/13/2006,19:47
3971,09/13/2006,19:20
4010,09/13/2006,18:47
7134,09/12/2006,14:53
7144,09/12/2006,14:54
7146,09/12/2006,14:55
7159,09/12/2006,12:21
7186,09/13/2006,16:54
7208,09/12/2006,17:33
7269,09/13/2006,14:36
7272,09/13/2006,15:18
7300,09/13/2006,14:37
7314,09/13/2006,14:36
8358,09/13/2006,13:56
8577,09/12/2006,22:52
8737,09/18/2006,09:19
8853,09/18/2006,09:25
9091,09/18/2006,09:19
9354,09/12/2006,12:38
9457,09/12/2006,12:38
10127,09/17/2006,10:32
10719,09/15/2006,18:50
10737,09/14/2006,23:12
11208,09/12/2006,19:51
11233,09/11/2006,17:22
11244,09/18/2006,10:08
11269,09/18/2006,09:01
11316,09/14/2006,20:17
11367,09/15/2006,22:29
11390,09/13/2006,05:25
,11401,09/14/2006,22:04
11411,09/13/2006,19:35
30217,09/18/2006,00:36
31922,09/13/2006,14:55
31925,09/17/2006,15:08
,31935,09/15/2006,22:29
31979,09/18/2006,09:23
31986,09/11/2006,16:47
,32032,09/17/2006,16:53
32053,09/17/2006,07:21
32076,09/18/2006,00:58
32077,09/12/2006,12:23
32081,09/15/2006,19:57
32208,09/15/2006,18:15
32210,09/13/2006,22:49
32219,09/18/2006,07:39
32262,09/18/2006,08:58
32270,09/18/2006,10:10
32282,09/11/2006,10:39
32287,09/15/2006,22:41
32302,09/15/2006,00:00
32320,09/18/2006,09:48
32325,09/18/2006,09:12
32326,09/18/2006,09:36
32329,09/18/2006,09:05
32331,09/18/2006,10:13
32333,09/11/2006,18:49
32337,09/18/2006,01:26
32338,09/11/2006,16:25
32341,09/17/2006,11:35
32343,09/14/2006,19:16
32347,09/17/2006,19:18
32358,09/13/2006,22:50
32359,09/16/2006,15:45
32361,09/17/2006,11:30
32362,09/18/2006,06:34
32363,09/13/2006,05:25
32374,09/12/2006,19:45
32377,09/11/2006,21:26
32378,09/18/2006,10:32
32380,09/14/2006,23:51
32382,09/10/2006,17:34
32388,09/17/2006,23:20
32391,09/13/2006,14:18
32393,09/15/2006,18:50
32398,09/11/2006,02:47
32412,09/17/2006,17:38
32413,09/14/2006,18:46
32414,09/18/2006,10:05
32415,09/18/2006,09:14
32416,09/13/2006,05:13
32417,09/15/2006,18:37
32418,09/17/2006,23:46
32419,09/12/2006,11:47
32420,09/18/2006,06:49
32424,09/15/2006,18:34
32425,09/18/2006,06:27
32427,09/14/2006,17:30
32429,09/16/2006,03:16
32431,09/12/2006,11:52
32432,09/15/2006,19:41
32433,09/12/2006,20:57
32435,09/18/2006,09:18
32437,09/17/2006,15:53
32480,09/15/2006,18:03
32482,09/15/2006,17:09
32490,09/13/2006,18:47
32520,09/12/2006,14:48
32533,09/13/2006,21:35
32539,09/17/2006,14:12
32599,09/10/2006,06:56
32618,09/13/2006,17:17
33328,09/12/2006,12:59
35169,09/17/2006,23:51
36736,09/14/2006,18:39
36856,09/15/2006,11:25
36872,09/12/2006,14:16
36874,09/13/2006,19:22
37417,09/18/2006,06:40
38097,09/12/2006,13:06
38209,09/12/2006,13:45
38412,09/12/2006,18:37
38416,09/12/2006,18:37
38542,09/12/2006,17:57
38544,09/12/2006,18:06
38849,09/15/2006,04:26
39520,39520,09/13/2006,15:18
39633,09/17/2006,16:50
9649,09/16/2006,23:34
39810,09/18/2006,07:35
39811,09/18/2006,08:51
40338,09/13/2006,17:11
40340,09/13/2006,14:35
40342,09/13/2006,15:00
40345,09/13/2006,15:06
40346,09/13/2006,14:24
40347,09/13/2006,14:46
40349,09/13/2006,14:30
40350,09/13/2006,13:54
40351,09/13/2006,15:12
40353,09/13/2006,14:51
40355,09/13/2006,14:55
40372,09/13/2006,16:58
40423,09/18/2006,10:37
40425,09/15/2006,19:01
40426,09/18/2006,10:33
40430,09/18/2006,09:36
40438,09/18/2006,10:11
40445,09/18/2006,09:35
40448,09/18/2006,07:09
40449,09/18/2006,10:04
40454,09/13/2006,18:21
40467,09/12/2006,19:29
40468,09/12/2006,18:20
40470,09/15/2006,09:43
40478
40487,09/18/2006,09:43
40498,09/11/2006,17:49
40851,09/18/2006,10:23
40856,09/11/2006,20:47
40916,09/18/2006,08:37
40917,09/18/2006,10:19
40923,09/18/2006,08:12
40924,09/18/2006,07:02
40926,09/18/2006,10:31
40928,09/13/2006,19:54
40932,09/13/2006,18:11
40944,09/15/2006,16:59
40957,09/12/2006,18:12
41021,09/15/2006,14:34
42068,09/18/2006,09:24
 

slicerwizard

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OK, I'll bite - what the heck is that mess? Those are supposed to be talkgroups?
Must be a *lot* of stuff you can't listen to, what with all that encryption goin' on...

Can an MTrunker user explain this? I don't use it, but I'm damn curious.


00003: TG 0000 [Invalid TG] Patched
00005: TG 0000 [Invalid TG] Emergency Multigroup
00015: TG 0000 [Invalid TG] Encrypted Multiselect
00017: TG 0001 Multigroup
00036: TG 0002 Emergency Patched
00058: TG 0003 Encrypted Emergency
00059: TG 0003 Encrypted Patched
00063: TG 0003 Encrypted Multiselect
00114: TG 0007 Emergency
00131: TG 0008 Patched
00143: TG 0008 Encrypted Multiselect
00697: TG 0043 Encrypted Multigroup
00771: TG 0048 Patched
01288: TG 0080 Encrypted
01328: TG 0083
01704: TG 0106 Encrypted
02851: TG 0178 Patched
03089: TG 0193 Multigroup
03151: TG 0196 Encrypted Multiselect
03268: TG 0204 Emergency Patched
03424: TG 0214
03463: TG 0216 Multiselect
03464: TG 0216 Encrypted
03466: TG 0216 Encrypted Emergency
03474: TG 0217 Emergency
03485: TG 0217 Encrypted Emergency Multigroup
03520: TG 0220
03525: TG 0220 Emergency Multigroup
03841: TG 0240 Multigroup
03896: TG 0243 Encrypted
03900: TG 0243 Encrypted Emergency Patched
03904: TG 0244
03971: TG 0248 Patched
04010: TG 0250 Encrypted Emergency
07134: TG 0445 *Invalid*
07144: TG 0446 Encrypted
07146: TG 0446 Encrypted Emergency
07159: TG 0447 Multiselect
07186: TG 0449 Emergency
07208: TG 0450 Encrypted
07269: TG 0454 Emergency Multigroup
07272: TG 0454 Encrypted
07300: TG 0456 Emergency Patched
07314: TG 0457 Emergency
08358: TG 0522 *Invalid*
08577: TG 0536 Multigroup
08737: TG 0546 Multigroup
08853: TG 0553 Emergency Multigroup
09091: TG 0568 Patched
09354: TG 0584 Encrypted Emergency
09457: TG 0591 Multigroup
10127: TG 0632 Encrypted Multiselect
10719: TG 0669 Encrypted Multiselect
10737: TG 0671 Multigroup
11208: TG 0700 Encrypted
11233: TG 0702 Multigroup
11244: TG 0702 Encrypted Emergency Patched
11269: TG 0704 Emergency Multigroup
11316: TG 0707 Emergency Patched
11367: TG 0710 Multiselect
11390: TG 0711 *Invalid*
11401: TG 0712 Encrypted Multigroup
11411: TG 0713 Patched
30217: TG 1888 Encrypted Multigroup
31922: TG 1995 Emergency
31925: TG 1995 Emergency Multigroup
31935: TG 1995 Encrypted Multiselect
31979: TG 1998 Encrypted Patched
31986: TG 1999 Emergency
32032: TG 2002
32053: TG 2003 Emergency Multigroup
32076: TG 2004 Encrypted Emergency Patched
32077: TG 2004 Encrypted Emergency Multigroup
32081: TG 2005 Multigroup
32208: TG 2013
32210: TG 2013 Emergency
32219: TG 2013 Encrypted Patched
32262: TG 2016 *Invalid*
32270: TG 2016 *Invalid*
32282: TG 2017 Encrypted Emergency
32287: TG 2017 Encrypted Multiselect
32302: TG 2018 *Invalid*
32320: TG 2020
32325: TG 2020 Emergency Multigroup
32326: TG 2020 *Invalid*
32329: TG 2020 Encrypted Multigroup
32331: TG 2020 Encrypted Patched
32333: TG 2020 Encrypted Emergency Multigroup
32337: TG 2021 Multigroup
32338: TG 2021 Emergency
32341: TG 2021 Emergency Multigroup
32343: TG 2021 Multiselect
32347: TG 2021 Encrypted Patched
32358: TG 2022 *Invalid*
32359: TG 2022 Multiselect
32361: TG 2022 Encrypted Multigroup
32362: TG 2022 Encrypted Emergency
32363: TG 2022 Encrypted Patched
32374: TG 2023 *Invalid*
32377: TG 2023 Encrypted Multigroup
32378: TG 2023 Encrypted Emergency
32380: TG 2023 Encrypted Emergency Patched
32382: TG 2023 *Invalid*
32388: TG 2024 Emergency Patched
32391: TG 2024 Multiselect
32393: TG 2024 Encrypted Multigroup
32398: TG 2024 *Invalid*
32412: TG 2025 Encrypted Emergency Patched
32413: TG 2025 Encrypted Emergency Multigroup
32414: TG 2025 *Invalid*
32415: TG 2025 Encrypted Multiselect
32416: TG 2026
32417: TG 2026 Multigroup
32418: TG 2026 Emergency
32419: TG 2026 Patched
32420: TG 2026 Emergency Patched
32424: TG 2026 Encrypted
32425: TG 2026 Encrypted Multigroup
32427: TG 2026 Encrypted Patched
32429: TG 2026 Encrypted Emergency Multigroup
32431: TG 2026 Encrypted Multiselect
32432: TG 2027
32433: TG 2027 Multigroup
32435: TG 2027 Patched
32437: TG 2027 Emergency Multigroup
32480: TG 2030
32482: TG 2030 Emergency
32490: TG 2030 Encrypted Emergency
32520: TG 2032 Encrypted
32533: TG 2033 Emergency Multigroup
32539: TG 2033 Encrypted Patched
32599: TG 2037 Multiselect
32618: TG 2038 Encrypted Emergency
33328: TG 2083
35169: TG 2198 Multigroup
36736: TG 2296
36856: TG 2303 Encrypted
36872: TG 2304 Encrypted
36874: TG 2304 Encrypted Emergency
37417: TG 2338 Encrypted Multigroup
38097: TG 2381 Multigroup
38209: TG 2388 Multigroup
38412: TG 2400 Encrypted Emergency Patched
38416: TG 2401
38542: TG 2408 *Invalid*
38544: TG 2409
38849: TG 2428 Multigroup
39520: TG 2470
39633: TG 2477 Multigroup
39649: TG 2478 Multigroup
39810: TG 2488 Emergency
39811: TG 2488 Patched
40338: TG 2521 Emergency
40340: TG 2521 Emergency Patched
40342: TG 2521 *Invalid*
40345: TG 2521 Encrypted Multigroup
40346: TG 2521 Encrypted Emergency
40347: TG 2521 Encrypted Patched
40349: TG 2521 Encrypted Emergency Multigroup
40350: TG 2521 *Invalid*
40351: TG 2521 Encrypted Multiselect
40353: TG 2522 Multigroup
40355: TG 2522 Patched
40372: TG 2523 Emergency Patched
40423: TG 2526 Multiselect
40425: TG 2526 Encrypted Multigroup
40426: TG 2526 Encrypted Emergency
40430: TG 2526 *Invalid*
40438: TG 2527 *Invalid*
40445: TG 2527 Encrypted Emergency Multigroup
40448: TG 2528
40449: TG 2528 Multigroup
40454: TG 2528 *Invalid*
40467: TG 2529 Patched
40468: TG 2529 Emergency Patched
40470: TG 2529 *Invalid*
40487: TG 2530 Multiselect
40498: TG 2531 Emergency
40851: TG 2553 Patched
40856: TG 2553 Encrypted
40916: TG 2557 Emergency Patched
40917: TG 2557 Emergency Multigroup
40923: TG 2557 Encrypted Patched
40924: TG 2557 Encrypted Emergency Patched
40926: TG 2557 *Invalid*
40928: TG 2558
40932: TG 2558 Emergency Patched
40944: TG 2559
40957: TG 2559 Encrypted Emergency Multigroup
41021: TG 2563 Encrypted Emergency Multigroup
42068: TG 2629 Emergency Patched
 

jellotor

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I'd guess that the columns are messed up or he's posted a file showing radio IDs. Here's the first line from my 782dgrp.txt file, Andy...you should be able to make sense of it.

0010,7,0,"BMR Digital 1",4524192d,492,4,16, 16,10/04/2006,16:30

There ain't that many encrypted talkgroups on Fleetnet Zone 1...
 

mikewazowski

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Yup, major mess.

With that many bogus tg's, the whole list should be considered worthless.

I'd say it's noise on the control channel or something not quite setup right with trunker.

I ran good ole DOS trunker for a week this summer when the OPP were switching over and I didn't come up with more then a handful of tg's.

Most were confirmed by *listening* to my scanner and the others had counterparts in the other Zones.

BMR seems to be duplicating the common talkgroups on each system. The talkgroup assigned to 1TAC01 is the same as 2TAC01 and 3TAC01 and probably 4TAC01 when it's rolled out.

However, please don't take the list of Zone 1 talkgroups, convert them to Zone 3 talkgroups by changing the 1 to a 3 and submit them to the database.

Somebody has already done that and the submission has been marked as worked and deleted. There are some major changes between Zone 1 and Zone 3 and this trick doesn't work for all talkgroups.
 
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williams63

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Im sorry the list is mucked up...I ran Mtrunker32 for many weeks , and Mtrunker showed the TG's...I have also seen these on my scanner as well.

As you know , Zone 3 is still very new , and alot of those TG had no voice...or just a lil " testing " by Spectrum Group Radio Techs...My guess is that they might be future use , but by no means did I mean to imply they are all in use...Im sorry for any confusion.

I did not submit any of those either as I did not confirm them as Mike stated ( by listening ) , however I will over time.

Zone 3 is a vast zone...units can be heard a as far as 200 km's away ..sometimes more.

Again my guess is radio techs testing as I have heard on a few of those by the techs , asking Northbay " testing 1 2 3 ..copy " ?

Most of those TG's only appeared once...

Tho MNR has 3 TG's now in Sudbury in use now...and a new MTO.

Ill re confim the MNR / MTO as submit for approval.

Sorry once again , if I caused any confusion.
 

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Are you taking this data out of the 782dgrp.txt file? The fact is, all talkgroups stored in that file should be the base talkgroup number (ie. no odd numbers...talkgroups before a status bit is added to it) so I'm not sure where you're getting those numbers from.
 

slicerwizard

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jellotor said:
all talkgroups stored in that file should be the base talkgroup number (ie. no odd numbers...talkgroups before a status bit is added to it)
That's what I always thought. So I guess a good question would be - what does williams63's grp file really look like?
 

williams63

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Here is the Mtrunker32 GRP File:

;VER=3
;ID_hex,COLOR_dec,PRIO_dec,TITLE_str,LASTNOTED_hex,HITS_hex,USAGE_hex,ID_dec,ID_str,LASTNOTED_mm/dd/yyyy,LASTNOTED_hh:mm

0010,7,0,"?",453155b5,aa,5,16, 16,10/14/2006,17:25
0700,7,0,"?",4531627f,0,0,1792, 1792,10/14/2006,18:19
0ad0,7,0,"?",4531823a,99,4,2768, 2768,10/14/2006,20:35
0af0,7,0,"?",4530fb07,0,0,2800, 2800,10/14/2006,10:58
0c00,7,0,"?",45085ced,2,4,3072, 3072,09/13/2006,15:33
0c10,7,0,"?",450e96f5,c,4,3088, 3088,09/18/2006,08:54
0ee0,7,0,"?",45073dd5,0,0,3808, 3808,09/12/2006,19:08
0f00,7,0,"?",450eaf35,b6,4,3840, 3840,09/18/2006,10:37
0f30,7,0,"?",4508989e,4,4,3888, 3888,09/13/2006,19:47
1f40,7,0,"?",450b35c6,0,0,8000, 8000,09/15/2006,19:22
2000,7,0,"?",45316283,0,0,8192, 8192,10/14/2006,18:19
2010,7,0,"?",450b35c8,0,0,8208, 8208,09/15/2006,19:22
20b0,7,0,"?",4505d391,1,4,8368, 8368,09/11/2006,17:22
2150,7,0,"?",450a1a14,5,4,8528, 8528,09/14/2006,23:12
2160,7,0,"?",4504601b,0,0,8544, 8544,09/10/2006,14:57
2180,7,0,"?",453184f9,1ad9,4,8576, 8576,10/14/2006,20:46
21a0,7,0,"?",4507e0d1,8,4,8608, 8608,09/13/2006,06:43
2290,7,0,"?",453162ad,16,4,8848, 8848,10/14/2006,18:20
22a0,7,0,"?",4531629e,0,0,8864, 8864,10/14/2006,18:20
22b0,7,0,"?",450b6320,9,4,8880, 8880,09/15/2006,22:36
2360,7,0,"?",450e8578,0,0,9056, 9056,09/18/2006,07:39
2410,7,0,"?",4506e26b,1,8,9232, 9232,09/12/2006,12:38
24a0,7,0,"?",450b359a,0,0,9376, 9376,09/15/2006,19:22
24d0,7,0,"?",450b35ab,0,0,9424, 9424,09/15/2006,19:22
24f0,7,0,"?",450b35a7,0,0,9456, 9456,09/15/2006,19:22
2540,7,0,"?",450b3588,0,0,9536, 9536,09/15/2006,19:21
8000,7,0,"?",45316368,0,0,32768,32768,10/14/2006,18:23
8020,7,0,"?",450728c3,0,0,32800,32800,09/12/2006,17:38
8030,7,0,"?",45316356,0,0,32816,32816,10/14/2006,18:23
8230,7,0,"?",4504e488,b,0,33328,33328,09/11/2006,00:22
88a0,7,0,"?",450a66e5,0,0,34976,34976,09/15/2006,04:40
88c0,7,0,"?",45072774,0,0,35008,35008,09/12/2006,17:32
88f0,7,0,"?",450a66d5,0,0,35056,35056,09/15/2006,04:39
8950,7,0,"?",4509da23,0,0,35152,35152,09/14/2006,18:39
8960,7,0,"?",45315adc,4,0,35168,35168,10/14/2006,17:47
8980,7,0,"?",450e77a6,a,0,35200,35200,09/18/2006,06:40
8990,7,0,"?",450a6cd4,0,0,35216,35216,09/15/2006,05:05
89a0,7,0,"?",450ac5cb,0,0,35232,35232,09/15/2006,11:24
89c0,7,0,"?",4509d968,0,0,35264,35264,09/14/2006,18:36
94a0,7,0,"?",450ead90,34,0,38048,38048,09/18/2006,10:30
94b0,7,0,"?",450853fb,0,0,38064,38064,09/13/2006,14:54
94c0,7,0,"?",450853e9,0,0,38080,38080,09/13/2006,14:54
94d0,7,0,"?",450730a3,0,0,38096,38096,09/12/2006,18:11
94e0,7,0,"?",450719ae,0,0,38112,38112,09/12/2006,16:33
94f0,7,0,"?",4507234a,1,0,38128,38128,09/12/2006,17:14
9510,7,0,"?",45310097,41,0,38160,38160,10/14/2006,11:21
9540,7,0,"?",4530ce42,4b,0,38208,38208,10/14/2006,07:47
9560,7,0,"?",45300406,11,0,38240,38240,10/13/2006,17:24
95e0,7,0,"?",453034dd,4,0,38368,38368,10/13/2006,20:52
9600,7,0,"?",45307a3f,c,0,38400,38400,10/14/2006,01:48
9650,7,0,"?",4507234e,0,0,38480,38480,09/12/2006,17:14
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There you go...that we can work with.

From the info from your grp file a lot of those have only logged affiliations and not any actual usage. As far as I understand the trunker variants the talkgroups will be logged to the grp file once a radio affiliates to the talkgroup but the radio need not key up on the talkgroup. Thus, you get a lot of talkgroups that are 'identified' by trunker but haven't had any usage as far as voice traffic is concerned.

I suggest you check the database...some kind soul has already sussed out a few of those talkgroups such as 8528 (North Bay) and you'll be saving yourself some work. Other than that, you'll probably have to wait for the other users to come online. I think the Zone 2 and 3 talkgroups follow roughly the same ranges as Zone 1 so you probably assume the 2000s are MTO Enforcement, the 8000s are OPP OPS talkgroups and so on and so forth.
 

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williams63 said:
Most of those TG's only appeared once...
This would be your clue. I have run Trunker for a long time and rarely
see a bad TG or channel pop up. When one does, it is logged for a very
small number of hits, which makes it suspect, and should be checked out
before even thinking of making a submission. I believe the admins would
stand behind that (confirming by hearing anything that's submitted).

Even scanners are not immune to falsing. There have been numerous
reports over time of "new" TGs showing up which are usually false decoding
due to bad signal. Going back to 1st-generation trunktrackers like the BC235,
"funny" TGs show up but they are usually easy to spot (odd sub-fleet
numbers etc.). Software utilities that log hits from a scanner are also
vulnerable; they seem to grab short bursts of invalid decoding, ones that
most humans would normally ignore.

Update: the most recent list looks better. The TGs are recognizable. Doesn't
explain the where the first one came from though.

Dave
 
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Well that's what happens when you run a junky program like Trunker :) I used to get false hits ALL the time with Trunker. I use TRUNK88 now, and have never had a single false positive. From my place in Toronto, with nothing more than a J-Pole antenna, I can run TRUNK88 on Fleetnet sites as far away as Woodstock (London on a REALLY good day), with almost 100% decode rates. Trunker doesn't even recognize a control channel.
 

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Trunker works fine for me. Can't say I've ever seen a false talkgroup show up.

I'm using an Optotrakker with the data slicer mod and I can pull in stuff from pretty far away.

Really depends on the quality of your slicer and the levels you are feeding it with.

Junk in = Junk Out.

I'd give Trunk88 a try but I don't want to lose the 8,000 id's I've collected for Fleetnet.

Anybody know of a good conversion program?
 

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exkalibur said:
Well that's what happens when you run a junky program like Trunker :) I used to get false hits ALL the time with Trunker. I use TRUNK88 now, and have never had a single false positive.
False hits are very rare for me, and can be traced to overload in my receiver
(mixing from a very strong local site popping in on a weaker site in spite of
the front-end filter added). Of course, this wouldn't happen if I was running a
"real" radio right Mikey?

I like TRUNK88 because it runs on computers with low horsepower e.g.
old 386/486 laptops that Trunker would just choke....but that doesn't make
Trunker "junk".

Dave
 

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Well, I'm less than 10km, direct line of sight, with the Toronto fleetnet tower. It's running off of a CDM1250 radio, with a data slicer who's output is darn near 100% noise free. I'd say that's pretty good :)

There's already a conversion program to convert Trunker to TRUNK88 files, and vice versa. I used to to transfer over all my old trunker records to T88 format.

No, what makes Trunker junk is that it is very susceptible to false positives. It will report an OSW the first time it's heard, instead of needing to see it several times, as is the case with TRUNK88. What this translates into is that Trunker is much more likely to get falsed than T88 is. Not saying it's going to happen all the time, but the door is wide open.

Also, with Trunker, if it misses a chunk of data, it'll start bunching partial OSW's together in an attempt to reconstruct what it thinks are valid OSW's, when in actuality this just leads to BS data. I've logged dozens of Radio ID's in the form of Talkgroups while running Trunker.

And Dave, using a "real" radio doesn't really have much to do with it. Sure, it helps, because intermod is totally non exsistant, but what's REALLY important is having a good quality slicer, and building in a low-pass filter to help get rid of all the junk in the signal...My old PRO-42 scanner with a good slicer works lightyears better than my CDM1250 with a crappy slicer.
 
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Tg

The TG's MTrunker32 found , were Key ups...no voice.

Rarely did I hear voice...I would watch the radio affiliate to the tg's.

Ill try a diff trunker program..and see.

Zone 3 is still new...and alot of testing goes on..even MOH has been testing.

The number of TG could be attributed to techs scrolling though the folders on the radio.

** shrugs ** but Ill try a new prog..tho I do not have a slicker , only a tap on a Pro 97.









DaveH said:
False hits are very rare for me, and can be traced to overload in my receiver
(mixing from a very strong local site popping in on a weaker site in spite of
the front-end filter added). Of course, this wouldn't happen if I was running a
"real" radio right Mikey?

I like TRUNK88 because it runs on computers with low horsepower e.g.
old 386/486 laptops that Trunker would just choke....but that doesn't make
Trunker "junk".

Dave
 

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williams63 said:
The TG's MTrunker32 found , were Key ups...no voice.

Rarely did I hear voice...I would watch the radio affiliate to the tg's.

Ill try a diff trunker program..and see.

Zone 3 is still new...and alot of testing goes on..even MOH has been testing.

The number of TG could be attributed to techs scrolling though the folders on the radio.

** shrugs ** but Ill try a new prog..tho I do not have a slicker , only a tap on a Pro 97.
Andy can correct me if I'm wrong but Trunk88 likely isn't going to give you much more information in regards to talkgroups. Trunker is doing its job as programmed: logging the RIDs and GIDs (and patches and so forth) when they are detected...so I'm not sure what another control channel decoder will help you with...

Identifying talkgroups is still a matter of listening...and luckily the OPP and MOH are fairly structured in their callsigns and it is *reasonably* easy to sort out...just time consuming.
 
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