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Tetra uplink Signal

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Hallo Gemeinschaft. Meine Frage ist diese. Im Tetra System gibt es einen uplink und einen Downlink. Gut den Downlink auf dem Monitor darzustellen ist einfach. Mit meinem RTL SDR Stick


Nun möchte ich aber den Uplink finden. Das ist schwieriger und braucht vielleicht andere Technik oder auch nicht. Dieser Uplink burst ist sehr schnell 14 millisekunden, und die Leistung ist meistens auch sehr gering ca. 1 watt oder 1oo milliwatt. Mit meinem selbt gebauten empfänger kann ich es detektieren, aber nur mit LED darstellen und nicht als Amplitude im SDR.


Im SDR konnte ich bisher zwar viele Signale feststellen, aber nicht welcher ein Uplink ist. Daher die Frage sendet mir bitte ein Foto von eurem SDR oder Scanner wie ein Uplink in der Amplitude bzw. als Signal aussieht.





Danke für die Disskussion
 

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Most TETRA uplink frequencies are -10MHz offset from the downlink frequency (for example often 415MHz band when the downlink is 425MHz band).
 

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ja danke für die info. hat jemand schon einen screenshot von einem uplink amplidude von SDR sharp.


Die ist ja nur 14 milisekunden on air, das würde mich interessieren ob das SDR Sharp überhaupt kann ????? so schnelle burst einfangen ????





danke für die screenshot
 

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question how often is this uplink signal. i see a lot of on the screen but are they all 25 to 5o seconds again and again is this a regulativ for time
is this burst to see on the screen on your Screen???? it is so fast
 
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I know a guy who uses a RaspberryPie and a SDR dongle to detect any transmissions in the Tetra uplink band and use it as presence detector to check for nearby police cars. Of course it detects all users in the system and can't single out just one type but it works to detect the short GPS position transmissions using one or two slots and should then also be possible to do using a PC.

/Ubbe
 

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Okay danke ubbe für deine Reportage. Nun freue ich mich und werde es probieren auf eine distanz von 100 meter.


Wenn noch jemand tipps hat bitte darum um vielleich noch besser diese burst zu empfangen.
 

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Frage wer weiss was in dem Uplink Signal enthalten ist nur GPS Positions Daten oder nur das das Gerät eingeloggt ist also so wie bei GSM dass ein Login stattfindet.








dANKE FÜR DIE INFO
 

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In the GPS telegram it includes a lot of extra info like the speed the GPS receiver are traveling, in what direction and how accurate the position are.
If a mobile terminal are stationary it doesn't transmit much, maybe once each hour with a "here I am" data. If it moves it usually transmits much more often, if we don't include GPS, and if the signal level are low it will try to switch to another tower and will transmit a lot at full power. If it has a good signal it will probably use 100mW or even 10mW if its close to a tower. GPS positions are transmitted when the distance from the last report have reached a certain value but are often limited to minimum 30 sec or 1 minute to not overload the system.

/Ubbe
 

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lOkay ubbe danke für die info. also 1 minute warten ist immer richtig. dass habe ich meistens nicht gemacht. mal 20 sekunden mal 30 sekunden.

ist schon sehr interessant welche technik dahinter steckt mit dem gps signal und den kurzen daten ich bin eingeloggt. man kann schreiben 1 Minute sollte man warten dann kommt ein signal wie stark auch immer. RX Verstärker
 

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Hallo friends of Radio Tetra. Can anyone load up a screenshot photo of a Tetra uplink signal on a spectrum analyzer

I want to know how it looks on a spectrum analyzer
 

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Hat das schon jemand mit Kraken SDR versucht. Mit den 5 Antennen müsste man das Tetra Signal auch finden können ???

Eure fachliche Meinung. ???
 
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I know a guy who uses a RaspberryPie and a SDR dongle to detect any transmissions in the Tetra uplink band and use it as presence detector to check for nearby police cars.
I've wondered if someone could do something similar to look for SSIDs from undercover police vehicles with wifi APs for their laptops.
Danke fur das English translation, I habe so sehr Duetche vergessen.
 

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I've wondered if someone could do something similar to look for SSIDs from undercover police vehicles with wifi APs for their laptops.
Many vehicles these days have WiFi AP's. I haven't looked at it but they probably use SSID's to something similar like Ford plus its vin number and I wouldn't think that any police vehicles would use any different, as they anyhow probably use a VPN connection and encryption on top of that. So I assume it would be impossible to single out a police car from any other car.

But they probably have a radio on them that sends GPS positions for safety reasons if they need to do an emergency call, so those transmissions on their radio system can be detected.

/Ubbe
 
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