The Official Thread: Live audio feeds, scanners, and... wait for it.. ENCRYPTION!
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Oh yeah you can fix crazy. Stop the in-breeding of people pro-creating with their cousins. HAHA
Rick928
Member
All random calls should be public, when responding to murder scenes, robberies, or other violent crimes they should go to a silent channel.............seems easy enough for police departments not hiding their activities from the public
radioshane
Member
will if people stopped putting feeds on the internet then the emergency services might stop encrypting
What a concept
We have had three agencies here in Metro Detroit quoted in the news as saying this is exactly THE reason they went encrypted.
It started with Livonia Michigan. They had a crime committed, and the perp was monitoring their comms on his cellphone. Then Hamtramck Michigan had the same thing happen. Now my "hometown" agency, Downriver, is going encrypted because of what happened in Livonia.
And like I said, all three agencies said right in the paper that the ability to listen to calls on a phone is THE reason they are doing it.
We have had three agencies here in Metro Detroit quoted in the news as saying this is exactly THE reason they went encrypted.
It started with Livonia Michigan. They had a crime committed, and the perp was monitoring their comms on his cellphone. Then Hamtramck Michigan had the same thing happen. Now my "hometown" agency, Downriver, is going encrypted because of what happened in Livonia.
And like I said, all three agencies said right in the paper that the ability to listen to calls on a phone is THE reason they are doing it.
With only a moderate amount of effort and cost, a stream provider can make broadcasts geo-specific, much like what they do for professional games. Even my Internet radio station does not stream the local game here if it is blacked out on television, yet my friend in the next state can receive the stream on the same Internet feed just fine.
So, for a moderate investment (and maybe a subscription fee-which would probably cut out 40% of the criminal element right there) a provider could do just that, thereby protecting the local department from the perceived 'threat' of cell phone apps. Someone would actually have to go out and buy a scanner and program it to be able to listen in. Horrors!
So, for a moderate investment (and maybe a subscription fee-which would probably cut out 40% of the criminal element right there) a provider could do just that, thereby protecting the local department from the perceived 'threat' of cell phone apps. Someone would actually have to go out and buy a scanner and program it to be able to listen in. Horrors!
JoeyC
Senior Member
That's a reasonable compromise that would be shot down in a millisecond by the site owner and feed providers, afterall, we all know the great service that is provided by streaming far outweighs the obvious. How did we all ever make-do pre-streaming days?
radioshane
Member
well why don't all streaming people just stop doing it now ?
there should do there ruinining all your lives you all in encrypted areas must miss it horrificly
there should do there ruinining all your lives you all in encrypted areas must miss it horrificly
Sad, this was debated long ago. It was deemed for the better good. Nothing like killing something you love for the love of money. Nothing wrong with that!
Well they were having all sorts of problems with signal penetration with the current system so an upgrade to a 700MHz system was necessary, but adding encryption isn't like opting for seat heaters on your new car.
We have 50 various agencies from Police, Fire, EHS, etc... to transit, bylaw and others using over 100 talkgroups. I hope managing ENC proves to be a massive PITA for them.
We have 50 various agencies from Police, Fire, EHS, etc... to transit, bylaw and others using over 100 talkgroups. I hope managing ENC proves to be a massive PITA for them.
More power to them! Spend it and raise taxes. Just remember, they know better than you.
rapidcharger
Member
My prediction is all law enforcement will go unmonitorable in the coming years. Be it from encryption or ever changing technologies. Streaming audio has been a convenient excuse but it was never the ultimate reason for it. If you look at how many (how few) listeners there are for most feeds, I have a hard time believing a whopping 22 listeners in a huge city like Dallas Texas (an actual current number as of right now) is really posing a problem.
I'm in an encrypted area. I have asked the police why they're doing it. They say it's for officer safety. It's a pre-programmed response.
As for missing it, I stopped chasing them when they went to trunking so I was accustomed to not listening to the local police or fire. So when they encrypted it was not that big of a deal for me personally. I do listen to some neighboring counties sometimes that are analog conventional. Most of what goes on there is extremely boring, running license plates all day. When I hear sirens from a fire truck, I'll turn on broadcastify but by then it's usually too late to know what's going on. In my area you have to listen for a long time before something exciting happens on fire dispatch. Not worth the electricity to listen full time IMO.
If you want to keep monitoring the best thing I can tell you is to attend the public meetings with a group of people who want to keep monitoring and speak out against the migration to digital. Yes, all digital. It's hard to fight against the special interests, especially when so few people care and most of the public doesn't understand it. They've managed to do it in a surprising number of cities though.
That really didn't help when everyone was forced to switch to digital only cell phones, and in this scenario, staying analog is a pipe dream when you consider that most operations will be dispatched via Voice over LTE in the near future as the large cell carriers take over the police networks.
MTS2000des
5B2_BEE00 Czar
ATTENTION SCANNER LISTENERS IN SPOKANE, WA...NOW IS THE TIME TO LET YOUR CITY COUNCIL AND ELECTED OFFICIALS KNOW THAT TRANSPARENCY IS PARAMOUNT AND TO REITERATE WHAT YOUR SHERIFF AND CHENEY POLICE CHIEF SAID IN THE INTERVIEW.
Or sit by and do nothing, and watch your $500-600 scanners become paperweights. The choice is YOURS.
Or sit by and do nothing, and watch your $500-600 scanners become paperweights. The choice is YOURS.
The media should be present to make comments as well. They have some teeth to add to this fight and they shouldn't chicken out like Jacksonville and Orlando Florida market media. Got to love delayed and heavily filtered press releases as your primary source of news....
"In the proposed budget, $162 million will go to upgrades and new radios across the state over the next three years.
State police officials say during the manhunt communication issues were a big problem, and one they need to address."
Troopers, Senators Talk Budget After Eric Frein Manhunt | WNEP.com
State police officials say during the manhunt communication issues were a big problem, and one they need to address."
Troopers, Senators Talk Budget After Eric Frein Manhunt | WNEP.com
Encryption is as a result of the FCC narrow banding mandates that are lobbed for by the radio manufacturers. Salesmanship will insure that it will expand. Only the slightest decrease in crime will be as a result. No "crimes of passion" will be effected. The loss to society will be in the transparency of our law enforcement. The Media will not lead any charge to fight this. They have abdicated journalism for profits a long time ago. Americans only want to go to the mall and spend the little money they have. We have found the enemy and it is us.
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