The Official Thread: Live audio feeds, scanners, and... wait for it.. ENCRYPTION!

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I think they should have a frequency thats meant for dispersing information to the general public about a suspect on the run or a recent crime thats just happened.

There are several jurisdictions that have such a "HOT" channel. Not necessarily for the public, but for other agencies as well.

Here's the reality: it's another SOP that has to be done on the operational side, and requires something else for dispatchers to have to keep up with.

The modern dispatch center in (insert given metro area here) is already under staffed and has a huge workload. Not making excuses, but it is what it is.
 

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I think they should have a frequency thats meant for dispersing information to the general public about a suspect on the run or a recent crime thats just happened.

That's the job of the media. Why should the police provide an extra service that will create more work for dispatchers to satisfy a small percentage of the populous that wants to listen to police calls?
 

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Good point and these are things I haven't thought about. Except for the media part which is usually after the fact on the late afternoon news or early morning hours later. Real time would be nice. The weather radio is also a service but we do have the weather on the local news. I suppose understaffed is the big issue and I'm not about putting more burden on the tax payers. We do have unencrypted inner city around where I live in Orlando area but other than that nothing really to listen too as far a leo goes. I think even the fire dept's around here are encrypted now. All in all its what it is. The days of police listening are over. Suppose there is nothing we can do about it.
 

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Except for the media part which is usually after the fact on the late afternoon news or early morning hours later. Real time would be nice. .

Some departments are VERY active on social media and services like Nixle. One agency near me is extremely pro-active and send out Nixle alerts for any incident that might affect a major roadway, crime scene, or public concern. No need to carry a radio at all. Just sign up for alerts pushed to a phone or email address. This is something modern public safety dispatch centers, IMO, SHOULD look at doing. Sure it is more work, but it will also cut down on calls to non-emergency lines (which often are answered by the same calltakers and dispatchers as E911 lines in many places). It also creates and enhances relations with the public the agency serves.

But it is a cultural shift that public safety should migrate to. People want to be informed and expect it in today's modern society. Many people don't even watch local news anymore. They want it, and expect it, to come through their phone/tablet/implant.

The weather radio is also a service but we do have the weather on the local news.

NOAA weather radio is paid for by taxpayers and a SERVICE intended for the general public. That's why it was created, and that is why it is funded.

I suppose understaffed is the big issue and I'm not about putting more burden on the tax payers.

It is a reality because many 911 centers are struggling to collect on those taxes we pay to the telcom cartels, some agencies have had to file suits to collect back taxes. No one wants to pay more taxes, but the reality is public safety gets bottom of the barrel.

Where I live spending $400 million of taxpayer money to build a ball park is more important than putting more officers on the beat or building more fire houses. It's all about priorities.

The days of police listening are over. Suppose there is nothing we can do about it.

Not everywhere is as locked down as the people's republic of Florida appears to be. But as technology improves and time marches on, I suspect in 10-15 years we will all be using some telecom mafia provided service and will be paying 10 times more than we would for LMR.

Or maybe not. We shall see.
 

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Y210: The Government already uses something similar with other services. But nine times out of ten, you'll never get the information you need. With that stated (and most people here already understand the fore mentioned), the current (and past) dispatch channels already do this and encode or restrict classified information without resorting to encryption.

The only reason why some are moving to encryption, somebody is likely drinking on the job and wants to keep their bad habits out of the public eye. ;-) Shrugs, but that is really what it's all about though. Albeit, encryption is probably great for SWAT operations, once the incident is contained and civilians evacuated. ... but I'm not privy of those operations... so don't hold me to my later comment here.

For those whom live within an area with encryption, I'd suggest moving if it's that bad where the locals had to institute encryption. Look at Cleveland, one of the first cities to have a proprietary system. If I know of a city using encryption, I tend to avoid that city like the plague. With encryption, crime is merrily being swept under the rug for some innocent people to find.
 
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For the Audio Feed Providers and RadioReference/BCFY, who believe that streaming police radio and smartphone apps aren't leading to encryption, you are in denial.

Police Radio to go Silent as Antioch Cops Move Toward Encrypted Communications | East County Today

“The number one reason was officer safety. With growing technology, criminals are now able to monitor our movements better than before. Smart phone scanner apps have enabled anyone, anywhere, to listen in on police communications. This includes those who are about to, who are in the act of, or who just committed a crime,” explained Cantando. “These criminals use this technology to determine when to commit a crime, learn the locations and activities of responding officers, gather intelligence, etc. By encrypting our channels, criminals will no longer be able to listen in on police radio transmissions, which means we’re eliminating a significant risk to officer safety.”

Take down the goddamn scanner feeds or the agency will effectively take them down for you.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, it is a felony to use scanners for or while committing a crime.

As for the Internet scanner feeds, I don't like them. But there are rare times when I do resort to the Internet feeds. Usually for troubleshooting my own equipment, or the rare occasion I left my equipment elsewhere. Personally, I would rather spend money for good hardware versus having to lug around a computer or a cell/mobile phone with crappy hardware.

For the atypical civilian being involved with recent criminal activity, I do not think they have a sincere need for using the Internet scanner feeds at all. For those honest civilians, or those that do not involve themselves with criminal activity, think there is no problems with listening to XYZ civilian get pulled over for driving while drinking, etc. Similar to keeping a gun for defensive purposes within their house, keeping their eyes and ears open is a good exercise as long as they don't go running around with a shotgun and handcuffs trying to arrest people steeling candy.

But no matter how you look at it, there's still no confidential information transmitted over the radio.
 
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If I'm not mistaken, it is a felony to use scanners for or while committing a crime.

~snip~

Criminals don't follow the law, it doesn't matter how many laws you have or how many ways they are written, criminals don't care. Laws only affect the law abiding.
 

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Criminals don't follow the law, it doesn't matter how many laws you have or how many ways they are written, criminals don't care. Laws only affect the law abiding.

True, but i'd rather see it written as it's a felony to commit a crime using a scanner then it's a felony for using a scanner in general. There needs to be some line drawn for prosecution of the idiots.

Just like gun control, The government wants to make it illegal to own guns, instead of illegal to use a gun in any type of crime.
 

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IF you broke the encryption,
you can almost guarantee someone with a badge will ruin your day/year..
Don't get me wrong.
I think encryption should only be used in a federal emergency.
But to be a sgt in a pd--in my eyes,
don't give the right to be encrypted 24/7....
Portsmouth NH, and Biddeford Maine is like that.
But, as far as what you do with your tools -- is YOUR business.
I wouldn't advertise it.
There are ALOT of feds out there just itching for a federal bust!!
 

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As long as Internet feeds exist, encrypt everything. File an FOIA if you want to know whats going on.
 

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True, but i'd rather see it written as it's a felony to commit a crime using a scanner then it's a felony for using a scanner in general. There needs to be some line drawn for prosecution of the idiots.

Just like gun control, The government wants to make it illegal to own guns, instead of illegal to use a gun in any type of crime.

It is already written into some State's laws. Using certain devices while committing a crime, can constitute as a felony. At the time that I read this one statute or code, was more than ten years ago, I could easily clearly rationalize the line between a blue collar and white collar crime.

Deploying encryption on a broad scale, similar to authorizing indiscretion while using of a baton or greying the line between white and blue collar crimes. Sort of stepping backwards instead of forwards. (I don't think a lot of people would appreciate me much if I were to use a baton in such a way.)
 

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I hope this year will be the one that a freeware utility is released that can crack that ADP. Last year ProVoice this year ADP. Like I said earlier I'm a law abiding citizen, I don't steal, sell dope, vandalize people's property. But obeying encryption laws is just plain stupid and self denying.
 

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I hope this year will be the one that a freeware utility is released that can crack that ADP. Last year ProVoice this year ADP. Like I said earlier I'm a law abiding citizen, I don't steal, sell dope, vandalize people's property. But obeying encryption laws is just plain stupid and self denying.


You do understand that Provoice is only a digital voice format right?
 

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I hope this year will be the one that a freeware utility is released that can crack that ADP. Last year ProVoice this year ADP. Like I said earlier I'm a law abiding citizen, I don't steal, sell dope, vandalize people's property. But obeying encryption laws is just plain stupid and self denying.

Will never happen. And if it did? Boom, everyone gets switched to AES.
 

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Funny, people fearing all the honest and innocent people, or good Samaritans, might be over-hearing something they shouldn't. (And, as posted above, people might especially be weary of all the senior citizens working at charity events!)

When people have time to fear the fore-mentioned, think it's time for some lay-offs or repositioning people into arenas with real work to do. If while working you do not find yourself relying on others, then you've also got it too easy!

Not a day goes by here, when I'm not relying on somebody else.

I try not to laugh when units need to rely on others and sporadically broadcast in the clear, and they're commonly on encrypted digital. The young or inexperienced guys do not know how to get along in their job when all else fails. Once they flip the switch, all the Good Samaritans spend their time elsewhere.
 
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