I believe a service monitor capable of decoding IDEN was found in a club house where the local police service switched all their comm's to an IDEN network.
The Official Thread: Live audio feeds, scanners, and... wait for it.. ENCRYPTION!
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Along with the major drug cartels in this country, the HA are well funded. Cartels and other main bad guys will (and have had) frequency counters, service monitors and many other forms of sophisticated monitoring equipment in order to keep abreast of local LE.
Your local scanner enthusiast is at the bottom of the food chain when it comes to skilled listening
Your local scanner enthusiast is at the bottom of the food chain when it comes to skilled listening
slicerwizard
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Can you point us to any documented cases (i.e. name of defendant(s), Court Case#, agency file#) where a criminal suspect having a scanner materially assisted him/her in the commission of a crime (i.e. as opposed to hearsay reports of officers finding a scanner in a carjacker's car at the end of a pursuit, but they don't know if it was working or if he was listening to it, let alone if it materially contributed to his criminal activities or if it distracted him from driving at 120 MPH in the wrong direction of travel and thereby HARMED his ability to elude police etc...)
kayn1n32008
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Regardless if it assisted them, having it in their possession speaks volumes. Being arrested with guns, drugs, body armour, cash(tens of thousands of dollars) and Unidens flagship scanner shows that criminal organizations DO use scanners to gather Intel against law enforcement.
ALERT is made up of officers from the largest police departments in Alberta. They are the agencies that made the seizure. It was displayed to the media with drugs, guns and cash.
Feel free to keep your head in the sand if you wish, better yet do your own research.
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kayn1n32008
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I do not need to. Finding suspects with scanners and live feed apps along with drugs guns and cash obtained by crime is more than enough justification for these agencies to encrypt comms.
Why does it speak volumes? Have you ever considered the possibility it made no difference whatsoever? Did anyone check to see if the scanner was even turned on, let alone programmed properly?
In the infamous 97' North Hollywood bank robbery turned lengthy shootout, the bank robbers used a scanner to purportedly calculate police response times for calls to the bank. This was a stupid idea in the first instance, because it would be impossible to predict in advance which exact units would respond to an armed bank robbery call, where they would be coming from, whether officers from other agencies driving nearby would hear about the call and self-dispatch themselves, etc.
In any event, the purported "response time calculations" supposedly made by listening to a scanner were useless because as soon the robbery began, two patrol cars happened to drive by on routine patrol and called out a bank robbery in-progress. I suspect there are many examples of this. Of course, the North Hollywood incident devolved into a terrible shootout due to the robbers using full-length plated body armor and police being outgunned by AK-47's etc, but the scanner was less than useless.
kayn1n32008
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Did you miss what model of scanner it was?
You can Connect it to the Internet and update it every week...
Thankfully the Edmonton EDACS listing is not very accurate, but that does not mean they were not searching unknown talkgroups. It is also unknown if the provoice upgrade was purchased. The police use provoice, thankfully the covert talkgroups are encrypted. It does not, however mean they were not atleast actively trying to gain intelligence against law enforcement from it.
It speaks volumes to the people's state of mind. It shows they formed the intent to use law enforcements comms to their advantage.
Regardless of whether the scanner was programmed correctly or not. So yea, it does speak volumes.
lets put this in another way. If fire/police/ems/ect and businesses all go encrypted, your $600.00 dollar scanner will be the most expensive paper weight you ever bought. Also what use will this site be then? Say what you want to say, but encryption is slowly killing this hobby. Only ham, frs/gmrs, cb, mom and pop business will still be there, but who would want to listen to them? Even shortwave broadcast is dying.
Actually I am OK with that. The hobby will turn back to people who CAN figure out what is going on and KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT instead of streaming it on the Interwebz. I am sitting here right now listening to a MotoTrbo encrypted system with my Russian manufactured receiver. It works just fine, but am I going to stream it? Not in a million years.
Think again. Hams in the US and Canada are already running AES256, it's only a matter of time....
Were are not allow to encrypt our voice communication. Only to control space and computer networks.
I am not going to argue the point. Read the rules, it's being done.
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Just curious who else is on the same page as me with the live audio feeds. I feel as if these live audio feeds that anyone can listen to will eventually be the death of hobbyist that actually buy the tools needed to monitor. Does anyone else agree?
Just curious who else is on the same page as me with the live audio feeds. I feel as if these live audio feeds that anyone can listen to will eventually be the death of hobbyist that actually buy the tools needed to monitor. Does anyone else agree?
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darunimal
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I was a cop for over 3 decades and I never heard of an incident where the bad guy had a scanner or was listening to a feed.. That's TV stuff.
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First you say "possibly" and then state it as fact. I'm a data guy. Show me the data, I will analyze it and then determine if it seems plausible.
First you say "possibly" and then state it as fact. I'm a data guy. Show me the data, I will analyze it and then determine if it seems plausible.
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