Using a scanner not likely. Criminals won't waste the time to program etc. As for the streaming, it wasn't a huge issue until cell phones became extremely easy to use for monitoring.
The Official Thread: Live audio feeds, scanners, and... wait for it.. ENCRYPTION!
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Using a scanner not likely. Criminals won't waste the time to program etc. As for the streaming, it wasn't a huge issue until cell phones became extremely easy to use for monitoring.
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Criminals only need a lookout to over come it, so what's the point. Use the extra noisy Nancy's eyes to your advantage. If somebody's willing to die for the cause encryption won't stop it, but resources used else where could stop stupidity before it starts, spend the money on Education, yeah the other E word.
Are you implying that you don't believe criminals have used the streaming audio to their advantage. Look for the data all you want but I don't think many criminals would voluntarily tell the police "hey you couldn't find me while I was committing a crime because I was listening to your audio feed"
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I'm not implying that at all. I'm explicitly stating I do not believe that without data.
I'm not implying that at all. I'm explicitly stating I do not believe that without data.
Fair enough. The data may be available oct. 2018. Haha
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I'd be willing to guess that the authorities decided to encrypt all channels and then had to find reasons to support that decision. Fear is a good way to enlist public support.
Frankly, there's enough delay on a live stream that would likely make it unusable for commission of a crime. Also, you're not guaranteed to hear the traffic you want to hear.
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darunimal
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If you don't believe in streaming don't use or support this website or broadcastify or anything that carries feeds. Boycott all
That's aardvark hooey.
Police have always been secretive in nature. It's not that they're involved in nefarious activities, rather, it's because they don't want everyone to know how they operate, what they know and where they might be at any particular moment. You can certainly tell if there's a marked car in front of your house but you probably can't see it if it's around the corner. If you listen to the scanner or feed, you might know about it, though.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong. That's just the way it is.
I remember when Kevlar vests came into use. We were told to not tell anyone about it (like you couldn't see it under my shirt). If the bad guys knew about the vests, they would aim for the head instead of the larger torso target if they shot at us. Most bad guys couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a sidearm (but that's also true of some cops I know).
Another reason for encryption in Georgia: Giving out criminal history information in a manner that is accessible to the public is illegal. (Believe it or not, it's punishable by up to 15 years in prison and/or a $50,000 fine.) Once again, right or wrong? I dunno. That's just the way it is here. I don't write 'em. With encryption, dispatchers can give out the information freely to the officers and the public won't hear it. I haven't heard any agency use that as an excuse, however.
Bad guys listening to police frequencies may be what they tell the public as a reason for encryption but, in reality, it's way down the list.
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darunimal
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Instead we send bad criminals to jail to learn how to be better criminals. Which also teaches them how to monitor their surroundings better. But us and them continue to be stuck in a cycle of stupidity, not only "who can break the ideals of the four fathers, the most," but "who can get the most stripes before they get out." Education is the solution to the dilemma, not wasting more resources and lives.
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Most streaming scanners have too many departments & TG's scanning to depend on certain live feeds.
Most people didn't, and still don't, have scanners. 30 years ago, we did not have the technology to have audio streamed to a handheld, wireless device, meant for mass consumers. That would be tantamount to saying people didn't Torrents of network programming, in 1990.
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I'll say that I've noticed a significant increase in encrypted transmissions since the internet feed went live for my region.
I'm sure it's playing a significant role in the move to blanket encryption with the new radio system rolling out over the next few years.
I'm sure it's playing a significant role in the move to blanket encryption with the new radio system rolling out over the next few years.
MTS2000des
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FTA:
Couple points here:
1) Author validates that the public knowing what is going on in real time is a valid issue, but then proposes a time delayed feed broadcasted on the Internet, which....
2) Broadcastify fully supports for official feeds Broadcasted by the agency themselves, which....
3) We have some official agencies, such as the Anchorage Police Department in Alaska doing this exact thing, and....
4) All other feeds already have an inherent delay implemented of about 30-90 seconds, which arguably already removes the time value from tactical communications and reduces risk to the safety of responders.
That's great for Anchorage.
But consider that other law enforcement agencies don't want to host their own streams and don't want others doing it for them, either.
Their perception is reality. If they encrypt, neither you or I can do anything about it because frankly neither you or I are the decision makers there.
What troubles me is you act like we're trying to bring down the empire you've created when we're only trying to prolong the hobby... you know... for all of us.
But... but, but that doesn't seem to be the case in MTS2000des's perspective, since he said, and I quote, "Pretty much echos what many of us have been saying" in relation to an op-ed that argues for encrypting all public safety communications end to end.
Which is not a significant enough delay, for officer safety concerns, when getting to the scene before the bad guys hear the dispatch on their phone is the goal.
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