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Why hasn’t Motorola provided a legitimate way to implement non-affiliate scanning (NAS) in a trunked system? Is it just about money? Companies like Harris make significant profits (even if their products aren’t always top-tier), and the same goes for BKR. But why don't companies like Motorola, Kenwood, EFJ, and others allow non-affiliate scanning? What’s the real reason? Thanks!
 
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Because they don't cater to the scanning hobby. They legitimately do not care about one off purchase.

Further, they are not interested in making something to passively monitor a system they sell as secure. They don't want their produced used by outsiders to monitor their networks they are selling to public safety agencies.
 
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Because they don't cater to the scanning hobby. They legitimately do not care about one off purchase.

Further, they are not interested in making something to passively monitor a system they sell as secure. They don't want their produced used by outsiders to monitor their networks they are selling to public safety agencies.
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That makes the most sense from what ive heard. Why would they continue a contract with UNICATION to make there pagers? Unication is scanner friendly.
 
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That makes the most sense from what ive heard. Why would they continue a contract with UNICATION to make there pagers? Unication is scanner friendly.
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Because there is a market for it. Look at the cost difference between an unication and an APX8000, APX6000, or APX900.

Voice paging is widely used in the fire service. For Motorola there is no business case to make NAS a feature of their radios. Same for Harris.
 
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It would also not look good for a radio mfr to allow anyone to monitor the huge trunked systems they sell using the same type radios. Motorola is famous for implying some of their radio systems are "private" even though you can buy a police scanner and listen. If anyone could buy a Motorola radio and easily listen in to trunked radio systems it would look bad to their legitimate customers.
 
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And the first thing Motorola and the agency will ask? How did you get the system key to program the radio?
Since Motorola charges the customer to get the key and the system key generator is STOLEN PROPRIETY SOFTWARE?
How do you have STOLEN software or keys? Some things are better left not said on a place like this! There are ways to do it but seems you don't have the needed skill set?
 
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AES-256-Encryption said:
Why hasn’t Motorola provided a legitimate way to implement non-affiliate scanning (NAS) in a trunked system? Is it just about money? Companies like Harris make significant profits (even if their products aren’t always top-tier), and the same goes for BKR. But why don't companies like Motorola, Kenwood, EFJ, and others allow non-affiliate scanning? What’s the real reason? Thanks!
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The only subscribe radio that can do true receive only operation on trunking is a BK/Relm KNG series. No hacked software, hacked system keys- factory LEGAL to purchase and own software that allows a single check box to make a trunked system RX only and greys out the RID and other fields, and does NOT require a system key.

All the others you mention require a system key or hacked programming software. All of the others don't cater to radio hobbyists either. The Unication is a paging receiver not a scanner.
 
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Most agencies around here cooperate, and if another agency has a legitimate need to listen/access another system, it's generally handled by an MOU and provide them some radio ID's and a key to the system.
Good trunked systems will also allow linking between cores.

NAS is mostly a hobbyist wet dream and there really isn't any need for the big LMR companies to provide such a feature. In fact, encrypting control channels to prevent this sort of stuff is something that is on the horizon.
 
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MSI makes radios for professionals, not for buffs. Unless some big agency with deep pockets came along to have them engineer such a feature for their APX series, it's not going to happen because MSI doesn't care about Willy Whacker buying a secondhand whored out APX on fleabay (nor should they).
 
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Make no mistake, Harris doesn't offer NAS, they offer ways to receive only talkgroups that the subscriber shouldn't need to transmit on. I.e. paging channel

Harris radios program differently than Motorola, however the concept is the same. They aren't meant to be used as hobby scanners
 
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AES-256-Encryption said:
Why hasn’t Motorola provided a legitimate way to implement non-affiliate scanning (NAS) in a trunked system? Is it just about money? Companies like Harris make significant profits (even if their products aren’t always top-tier), and the same goes for BKR. But why don't companies like Motorola, Kenwood, EFJ, and others allow non-affiliate scanning? What’s the real reason? Thanks!
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What do you consider a legitimate way? Anything that doesn't affiliate is really no different than a Unication pager or a scanner, radio wise.
 
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And the first thing Motorola and the agency will ask? How did you get the system key to program the radio?
Since Motorola charges the customer to get the key and the system key generator is STOLEN PROPRIETY SOFTWARE?
How do you have STOLEN software or keys? Some things are better left not said on a place like this! There are ways to do it but seems you don't have the needed skill set?
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That’s the easiest part. Google is your friend.
 
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