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I have to confess. I just don't get these people. Sure, sure Tibet wants to be freed from China and all that - I get that part fine. What I don't get is WTF that has to do with the OLYMPICS. The olympics are for the athletes, not for activists, celebrities, moonbats and other truly useless people to put in their two cents and stir the pot.

Even worse are the ones who are running up on the torch bearers and trying to grab the torch. What the hell? Do they honestly think that grabbing the torch is going to convince China to "let their people go"? Give me a freaking break already. The whole thing seems like one big excuse for the loonies to come out of the woodwork and get their jollies.

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I understand what they're doing, at least due to the fact that the PRC government will profit massively, most likely, from the games, and they feel that bringing attention to the matter will cause people higher up to boycott the games, causing the PRC government to get a little less money. It's not so much that they think that grabbing the torch will cause political upheaval in the PRC, but that they think it will bring more attention to their cause and hopefully cause real action by people who can do something.

That said, do I think it will work at all? No.
 

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AZScanner said:
I have to confess. I just don't get these people. Sure, sure Tibet wants to be freed from China and all that - I get that part fine. What I don't get is WTF that has to do with the OLYMPICS. The olympics are for the athletes, not for activists, celebrities, moonbats and other truly useless people to put in their two cents and stir the pot.
I think you spend too much time on RR or listening to your scanner(s) and not enough reading/etc the news. Did you know that China "evicted" 1.5 million people from their homes (and demolished them) in order to build the Olympics Center (or whatever it is called)? Did you see the "riots"/etc in Tibet last month? Have you ever heard about an incident several years ago which came to be called "Tienerman Square"? (sp?)

The reason any country wants to host the Olympics is because of the huge revenue it brings in. But denying residents their rights, and basically being at "war" with others (Tibet) is not acting like a CIVILIZED country. I would love nothing more than for China to do the right thing; but I think it is the least likely to happen.

I have friends that are athletes and planning to be at the Olympics. I haven't communicated with them recently, so I don't know what they're thinking. This is a rare opportunity for most to compete and receive a medal. But it is not worth it if their lives or well-being are at risk just by going. I agree this event is for the athletes, but China does NOT deserve to be the host at this point. If China doesn't change their position, then I'd like to see the IIOC take it from them and hold it somewhere else in 1 or 2 years.
 

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How little you understand the Olympics. They were started for political reasons and throughout history nothing has changed, they've always been an international forum for governments and moon bats alike. What do they have to do with athletic competition? Little to nothing per se but perhaps if you're a student you know about the propaganda storm on both sides when Jesse Owens made a monkey out of Hitler and his master race in Berlin 1938 on live television. Beijing has always been a focal point since the revolution only now it too is on live TV, the demonstration in Tienanmen Square was fairly entertaining.
 

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gmclam said:
But it is not worth it if their lives or well-being are at risk just by going.
The lives and well-being of the athletes aren't in jeopardy. The Chinese government won't let anything bad happen to "valuable" people that will bring good attention and future tourism.

I forgot to say earlier, one issue I have with "Free Tibet" protesters is that Tibet wasn't exactly a shining example of human rights before becoming a part of China. They act like it was this peaceful wonderful place, but it wasn't any better than what they've got now. They'd be exchanging PRC brutality for Tibetan brutality if they got independence, I think.
 

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So China's cool for making cheap crap to sell at Wal-Mart but not cool enough to host the games, is that it? I still find the whole thing ridiculous. What's Joe Jobless in San Fran going to do to change what happens in China? Answer: Nothing. But he can certainly make it politically fashionable for us to boycott the games and make the last 4 years our athletes have spent preparing for them a complete waste of time, right? Already the pressure is on the POTUS from both democratic frontrunners to boycott the opening ceremony which is nothing short of ridiculous. If we want to convince China to change their ways we're not going to get very far by insulting them. Then again, maybe it's best for Bush not to go, lest he feel the need to "invade" something again. :roll:

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So China's cool for making cheap crap to sell at Wal-Mart but not cool enough to host the games, is that it?
Now you're talking about one of the problems in America. Most people want good pay but won't pay good money for products. Because mose Americans make purchasing decisions SOLELY on price, companies sought the cheapest way to get things made. I have personally never knowingly purchased anything made in China. Not only is it cheap, it is typically JUNK.
 

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Bush probably will "boycott" the games, in that I doubt he was intending to go anyways. I don't think he went to the 2004 or 2006 games, either.

EDIT: Apparently he did accept an invitation to the 2008 games.
 
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I'd like to know who's bright idea it was to have this torch relay take place in San Francisco of all places. Did they not realize the area is home to many left wing loonies that get their jollies causing trouble? The problems surrounding the torch relay do not surprise me one bit.
 

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Now you're talking about one of the problems in America. Most people want good pay but won't pay good money for products. Because mose Americans make purchasing decisions SOLELY on price, companies sought the cheapest way to get things made. I have personally never knowingly purchased anything made in China. Not only is it cheap, it is typically JUNK.
Your RadioShack scanners are made in China.:D
 

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brandon said:
I'd like to know who's bright idea it was to have this torch relay take place in San Francisco of all places.
Probably China, due to the large Chinese community there.
 

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I thought it was disgusting to see several large flags
of COMMUNIST China unfurled and flying proudly
on AMERICAN soil by RED Chinese supporters.

It's also regretful that the local police (SFPD) became,
in effect, foot soldiers in a battle over politics.
SFPD should have escorted the REDS back to their plane,
for their own safety of course, and bid them farewell.

gmclam said:
I have personally never knowingly purchased anything made in China. Not only is it cheap, it is typically JUNK.
Now we just need to convince around 299,999,998 more Americans to do the same.
 
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gmclam said:
I think you spend too much time on RR or listening to your scanner(s) and not enough reading/etc the news. Did you know that China "evicted" 1.5 million people from their homes (and demolished them) in order to build the Olympics Center (or whatever it is called)?
Atlanta did the same thing in the early 90's in order to build the Olympic village and other venues.
 

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Mike, what do you and so many other propaganda brainwashed Americans have against Communism and/or China? Do you know ANYTHING about such countries and their people besides the pablum you were spoon fed and raised on by the government controlled propaganda press? Have you ever been there or at least talked with people from there? What do you know REALLY?

"Red" alert, shields UP! (;->)
 

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AZScanner said:
what I don't get is WTF that has to do with the OLYMPICS.
The connection is that they Olympics and the Torch ceremony offers them a platform to be seen/heard ...
 
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