Traffic in NE Indiana

[nsrailfan6130]

I have noticed the ISP & Counties NE of Ft Wayne has been using 155.3700 for their point to point traffic. Also I noticed Dekalb Co. SO has been using 155.4900 for their dispatch, Does anyone know what the deal is with the Indiana SAFE-T TRS?

Jerry

 

[retroactiv]

they could be getting ready for rebanding.... you just never know

 

[rdale]

Counties using VHF to communication with each other has nothing to do with rebanding...

 

[nsrailfan6130]

Well, the reason I was asking was that I was under the belief that the entire state of Indiana had pretty much done away with the old VHF freqs and had gone to the statewide TRS.

 

[rdale]

Absolutely not, easily a majority of the agencies are on their own trunked systems or still using conventional UHF/VHF.

 

[schnit]

I just asked this very question, specific to Dekalb County in the yahoo SAFE-T group. "Tim" responded saying that the 911 director in Dekalb was a personall friend and based on thier conversation, it doesnt appear that Dekalb will be abondonong their VHF freq any time soon. He also mentioned that he speaks only for Dekalb, and doesnt know what Auburn and Garett have in mind.

Therefore, rdale is absolutly correct. dont just assume that because an agency has TG's in the DB, that they sh*t canned their old freq's and hopped on board with SAFE-T.

 

[schnit]

Also, 155.370 is a ISP "point to point" channel used across the entire state. As long as there are those agencies who continue to use their old VHF freq's, I doubt that traffic on this freq will cease any time soon..........

 

[nsrailfan6130]

rdale & Schnit,

I am going to respond to Posts 5 & 6 this way, A simple yes or no would have done and I would have been satisfied. I didn't ask for a freakin commentary on what someone from a yahoogroup said. All I asked was "If anyone knew what was up with the SAFE-T TRS system." Yes or No? How hard is it for you to answer a short question with a short yes/no answer? Btw, Schnit, I didn't assume squat, so don't be jumpin down my throat.

Jerry

 

[rdale]

Yes we know - no there is nothing up for Safe-T. It was never intended to completely overtake all agencies in the state. Sorry if explaining an answer offends you - most people are offended when you say "yes" or "no" with no explanation.

 

[hcsd35-32]

Just as stated in above posts, 155.370 is just "point to point" even as agencies move to the SAFE-T system I don't see this going away any time soon. The regional MA-1 talkgroups somewhat replace point, but not completely. Especially in NE Indiana in ISP dist 22, where the communications director is crazy and won't let her dispatchers use C-MA1 and won't let us call them on it (Even though thats what its for and every other ISP district is using it). Thats a whole other issue though.

 

[nsrailfan6130]

Nick,

Sounds like a weirdo. Oh well, her choice I suppose.

Rdale,

For your information, I am not most people, I'm me, thank you. Issue closed.

Jerry

 

[RocketMan1]

rdale & Schnit,

I am going to respond to Posts 5 & 6 this way, A simple yes or no would have done and I would have been satisfied. I didn't ask for a freakin commentary on what someone from a yahoogroup said. All I asked was "If anyone knew what was up with the SAFE-T TRS system." Yes or No? How hard is it for you to answer a short question with a short yes/no answer? Btw, Schnit, I didn't assume squat, so don't be jumpin down my throat.

Jerry

nsrailfan6130, you might want to check that attitude at your desktop before comming here. This is a forum to ask, and answer questions. When these members answer a question it's not just for your benefit, it's for the whole forum in general, so a simple yes or no would not only be rude, but uninformative. If your having a bad day, sorry to hear that, it will get better, just please don't take it out on the members here trying to help you, responses like this is a good way to NOT get help later. Good luck finding the info your looking for.

 

[schnit]

Clearly you are NOT most people. Most people appreciate help when they ask a question in these forums as it is probable that they need it. Most notibly when a person with a post count in excess of 2500 (next to your 40) replies, "most" people appreciate the feedback whether they asked for the "additional" or not. rdale, an active member of these forums has helped many here including myself with questions about his corner of the world. I do not know him personnally and do not speak for him, yet I suspect you will be hell bent to receive any further help from those like him given your juvenile behavior. I also do not see how you feel I "jumped down your throat". After re-reading your question and my reponse to it, I do not see how you could have been satisfied with a "simple yes or no" answer considering your demeaner. Never-the-less, I assure you that I'll never "jump down your throat" again in these forums, I give you my solemn promise to ignore any thread with your username attached to it. Regards...

 

[nsrailfan6130]

Rocketman,

While I see your point, You better look at it from my point of view too. I felt the answers I had recieved from these 2 were not only rude, but, snotty. That's where I had the problem. If they would have been a little more civil in their answers, then I would have accepted their help. But, obviously that wasn't the case. That being said, this is the last time I will post anywhere on these forums.

 

[winston500]

CMA-1 and the State Police

Just as stated in above posts, 155.370 is just "point to point" even as agencies move to the SAFE-T system I don't see this going away any time soon. The regional MA-1 talkgroups somewhat replace point, but not completely. Especially in NE Indiana in ISP dist 22, where the communications director is crazy and won't let her dispatchers use C-MA1 and won't let us call them on it (Even though thats what its for and every other ISP district is using it). Thats a whole other issue though.

To clarify your concern about contacting District 22 via C-MA 1 and contacting the ISP units via C-MA 1 please take the following into consideration. No official set of "rules" has been established by the State of Indiana or the State of Ohio (the systems are very similar) in regards to the 800 mhz radio system. Information that is relayed to agencies is typically done so by the Integrated Public Safety Commission (IPSC). IPSC has advised the state that C-MA channels are to be used for emergency purposes and not for station to station conversation. However, units in the field can contact each other and the agencies directly if need be.

Oftentimes the first person we like to push blame on is the Supervisor at the other agency. More times than not the Supervisor is just doing what they are told by their command staff. To call the supervisor at this post "crazy" is very unprofessional on your part. Intead of calling names why don't you call and speak to the supervisor professionally and ask why they do not communicate on C-MA channels

My department has always had a very good working relationship with the state and we work hard each and everyday to keep it that way. I have found that the Dispatchers with state agencies are well trained and can help us counties with countless resources when they are really needed. I have always had nothing but the best service from the Indiana State Police. If I do not understand why something is done the way it is I call and ask why. I have always recieved a prompt answer.

Keep in mind the following, many of the issues surrounding why agencies cannot contact Indiana State Troopers directly on the radio and assign calls or give information is due to the fact that state law forbids this. State law states that an Indiana State Police Dispatcher must assign a call to State Police units. An Indinapolis Police Department Unit should not be assigned a call by the Marion County Sheriffs Department and vice versa.

It would be my recommendation that you contact the State Police Disptachers / Units via the means that they specify or your agency handle the complaints and calls for service without the assistance of the state police, until a formal set of rules has been handed down by legislature.

Many agencies in Indiana feel that the State Police do not provide adequate coverage in each of the 92 counties. Keep in mind the State Police is an ASSIST agency and not a main agency they are not responsible for the county or cities that they cover. The responsibility lies with the COUNTY SHERIFF and LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT.

Arguing over simple issues such as this is a waste of time. You have the means of contacting the post on 155.370 or by telephone and that should be utilized until an agreement is made between the state and other agencies.

I hope this clears up some of your confusion regarding this issue.

Supporting Those Who Serve,

A concerned Citizen

 

[scannerfreak]

Rocketman,

While I see your point, You better look at it from my point of view too. I felt the answers I had recieved from these 2 were not only rude, but, snotty. That's where I had the problem. If they would have been a little more civil in their answers, then I would have accepted their help. But, obviously that wasn't the case. That being said, this is the last time I will post anywhere on these forums.

Now see our point of view It is nearly impossible to determine tone of voice in a post on the internet. They were only trying to help you and that kind of responce will not get you much help around here in the future Granted, Rob (rdale) can come off a little short and to the point, but that's just Rob. He wasn't trying to be rude to you. I think you might have over reacted

 

[djbrane]

Keep in mind the following, many of the issues surrounding why agencies cannot contact Indiana State Troopers directly on the radio and assign calls or give information is due to the fact that state law forbids this. State law states that an Indiana State Police Dispatcher must assign a call to State Police units. An Indinapolis Police Department Unit should not be assigned a call by the Marion County Sheriffs Department and vice versa.

I agree wholeheartedly with all of this, however, take exception to it being a "state law". I might need to be corrected, but i really find it hard to believe there is a state law telling who can dispatch who. Possibly a policy or procedure at any number of agencies or within the ISP, but state law?

 

[winston500]

I agree wholeheartedly with all of this, however, take exception to it being a "state law". I might need to be corrected, but i really find it hard to believe there is a state law telling who can dispatch who. Possibly a policy or procedure at any number of agencies or within the ISP, but state law?

It is on the books as state law. Tomorrow when I have time I will post the Indiana Code regarding this and a link to the website for your review.

 

[hcsd35-32]

This is probably going to get off the topic of this thread and cause a lot of discussion. Winston500 (and everyone else) please see this new thread for my response to your post about the MA-1 TG's