SDS100: Traveling on an airline with an SDS100 in your carry-on

mikell68

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It varies from place to place. I was asked to show my ham license in Guam and Bermuda, Saipan asked if any of my gear
could transmit on aircraft frequencies but otherwise no problems. As has been posted here fifty-leven times, make sure to
have a few copies of your license(s) packed with your gear. And of course, it's never a good idea to turn on any of it while
aboard the plane. (Hey, there may be a Padawan or two browsing the forums, ya never know...;))
Good point about the licenses. I will do that.
 

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I appreciate the information. Unfortunately, unless I win the lottery, I probably won't be traveling enough to justify the cost of the service or the credit cards that give the rebate. lol
Understood. Prior to Covid I flew 20+ times a year and it was worth it. The Global Entry Card is keyed to your passport and that's another cost on top of the fee for the card. At least the passport is good for 10 years.

Just for general interest: The worst problem I ever had with TSA was a goon who insisted on x-raying all my camera lenses. I told him to keep his fingers off the glass. He left me alone next to a rack of TSA radios is chargers. I could have bagged one! He ignored my HT's.
 

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One last suggestion: Get a Known Traveler Number or a Global Entry Card. You can skip most of the TSA checks. (Leave your shoes on etc.). When returning from overseas you can mostly skip customs with the GE card. Yes, there is a fee, but some credit cards will rebate the cost. Even at LAX I get through the checkpoints in no time. I cleared the TSA line in under 60 seconds at Anchorage once. No one pays attention to my radios (not scanners - amateur HT's).

This is excellent advice. I have had Pre Check for 6 years now and would never fly without it. Flew four times last year without any issues (other than incompitent TSA agents in Miami, but that's another story). Lap Top, SDS, 436HP, 3 antennas, chargers, etc.
The only time I got flagged was in 2017 when I flew to LAX from BOS with my bean-bag GPS holder. The sand in the Bean Bag flagged an alarm. In Boston they just inspected, LAX they did a explosive test. No big deal. Now I just use an extra large suction cup instead.
 

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I've flown a few times recently with my SDS100, they never said a word about it. I don't turn it on while in flight because like others said, it's basically useless at that point. But I've never had anyone ask to turn it on or even look at it.
 

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I just flew internationally and domestically with all sorts of radios. No issues. But the 1 oz. of lens cleaner was another story.
 

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Every destination is different, but having the proper documentation and a positive attitude
is the key, especially if the entry point is staffed by a bunch of mean-looking dudes carrying
automatic weapons... (Arriving in Cairo and Istanbul in 1988 comes to mind...)
 

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Pre Check is great even if you only travel a few times a year. Flying out of Charlotte last month we were through security in a minute. I'm amazed at how many people don't have. My son travels for work frequently and has Global Entry. It's a huge time saver.

You're right that TSA doesn't care about scanners at all. They occasionally look at laptops, but that's it.

These threads come up all the time. The answers above pretty much cover it. The TSA pretty much doesn't care. The FAA does care. Don't operate your radio while the plane is in the air. You won't hear much anyway. The aircraft is a giant Faraday cage.

One last suggestion: Get a Known Traveler Number or a Global Entry Card. You can skip most of the TSA checks. (Leave your shoes on etc.). When returning from overseas you can mostly skip customs with the GE card. Yes, there is a fee, but some credit cards will rebate the cost. Even at LAX I get through the checkpoints in no time. I cleared the TSA line in under 60 seconds at Anchorage once. No one pays attention to my radios (not scanners - amateur HT's).
 

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I have flown with both scanners and an HT. The battery issue shouldn't be an issue as many passengers have laptops with much higher capacity batteries and almost everyone has a cell phone. My only issue was when leaving Guatemala. That was solved quickly as I had a letter from the equivalent of our ARRL granting permission to use the radio while visiting there.
 

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Although I haven't flown since Covid has reared its head, I've been on a lot of U.S. domestic commercial flights with scanners, two way radios, laptops and other consumer electronic gadgetry. Antennas and batteries are removed if possible and all devices are powered off. I've never had any trouble.
 

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I wear my SDS whenever I go to the airport and take it off for the TSA X-ray machines and never have had anybody give me a hard time about it
 

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I don’t post here very often, but can definitely confirm that there is no issue with flying with your equipment. My most recent trip I had a Baofeng F8HP, a 325P2, a Sangean HDR14, a CC skywave, 2 extra batteries for the F8HP, a dozen AA rechargeable batteries, 4 different antennas and chargers to charge everything. Normally, the only thing they insist I take out of my bag is my laptop. I have also had trips where I sub the 325 for my SDS100 and add an extra SDS battery and still no issues.

I also really enjoy listening to air traffic while I’m waiting for my flight at the airport and will use my scanner to do so while I’m at the gate. In my many times flying I’ve only been asked about it a couple of times and both times they were really cool about it and had no issue with it. When you’re sitting there with one of the old-school RadioShack extendable antennas with the coil in the middle it’s obvious. LOL.

don’t know if you’re flying for business or pleasure, but either way happy scanning.
 

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Thank you for all the replies. My experience with TSA on both flights was uneventful and I had no issues at all. My memory of a pre-9/11 encounter with the local (Greensboro) airport security involving my Radio Shack PRO-2006 where I had to plug in the power cord at the security checkpoint was what prompted the post. My most recent experience in Charlotte and Orlando was nothing like that. :)
 

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I responded to a call at a major airport pre 9/11. The 80 year old security guard wanted us to unpack every bit of our medical equipment before he'd let us through to the patient. Our police escort arrived and waved us through. I groused a bit to the officer and he told me that those private security people performed a vital service. I asked what and he replied, "Shrapnel sponges."

Ouch.

Thank you for all the replies. My experience with TSA on both flights was uneventful and I had no issues at all. My memory of a pre-9/11 encounter with the local (Greensboro) airport security involving my Radio Shack PRO-2006 where I had to plug in the power cord at the security checkpoint was what prompted the post. My most recent experience in Charlotte and Orlando was nothing like that. :)
 

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Commercial airliners typically utilize upwards of 27 antennas. While we think of antennas as devices used primarily for voice comms, there are other systems that use them for controlling steering, trim, flaps, etc., the “fly-by-wire” method instead of mechanical cables, to control the attitude (up, down, left, right) of an aircraft.(Ex; If a pilot wants to turn right the “stick” or “wheel” is pulled or turned to the right. That action activates a transmitter that sends an RF signal to a servo motor or motors to change the configuration of the respective movable surfaces on the wings and vertical stabilizers. my guess is the use of fly-by-wire saves in weight, eliminating the need for most cabling and wires. While these wireless systems are built to stringent standards that protect them from unwanted RF interference, any system that emits RF needs to be vetted as per FAA and FCC regulations. And there’s the rub… there are thousands of devices that would need to be tested individually, not just on one airliner, but on each individual airliner, even if they were of the same type of aircraft! An impossible endeavor. And the regulations stipulate that “receive only” devices such as scanners also be included because they too emit RF. Not in the sense of the transmitted power of a two-way radio, but the minute splurious emissions given off by electronic devices which include scanner receivers. Some airlines will leave the decision up to the pilots as to wether a device is acceptable or not but most pilots come down on the side of caution-they are not electronic engineers and don’t want to be held responsible for allowing something that is mostly unknown to them. I have not flown since the TSA came to be but prior to their existence, the restriction policy was largely ignored. I’ve never been asked to turn on my scanners or portable Ham walkie-talkies that I hand carried aboard an aircraft but I always packed my carry-on bags with the devices on top, for easy access should that need arise. There’s also restrictive regulations if traveling abroad… some country’s don’t allow some of these devices. That could mean they may be confiscated without the ability to snail mail them back to your home residence if checked when trying to get through customs! It’s a possibility I would avoid by leaving your comms gear at home. Check before you fly!
 

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Commercial airliners typically utilize upwards of 27 antennas. While we think of antennas as devices used primarily for voice comms, there are other systems that use them for controlling steering, trim, flaps, etc., the “fly-by-wire” method instead of mechanical cables, to control the attitude (up, down, left, right) of an aircraft.(Ex; If a pilot wants to turn right the “stick” or “wheel” is pulled or turned to the right. That action activates a transmitter that sends an RF signal to a servo motor or motors to change the configuration of the respective movable surfaces on the wings and vertical stabilizers. my guess is the use of fly-by-wire saves in weight, eliminating the need for most cabling and wires. While these wireless systems are built to stringent standards that protect them from unwanted RF interference, any system that emits RF needs to be vetted as per FAA and FCC regulations. And there’s the rub… there are thousands of devices that would need to be tested individually, not just on one airliner, but on each individual airliner, even if they were of the same type of aircraft! An impossible endeavor. And the regulations stipulate that “receive only” devices such as scanners also be included because they too emit RF. Not in the sense of the transmitted power of a two-way radio, but the minute splurious emissions given off by electronic devices which include scanner receivers. Some airlines will leave the decision up to the pilots as to wether a device is acceptable or not but most pilots come down on the side of caution-they are not electronic engineers and don’t want to be held responsible for allowing something that is mostly unknown to them. I have not flown since the TSA came to be but prior to their existence, the restriction policy was largely ignored. I’ve never been asked to turn on my scanners or portable Ham walkie-talkies that I hand carried aboard an aircraft but I always packed my carry-on bags with the devices on top, for easy access should that need arise. There’s also restrictive regulations if traveling abroad… some country’s don’t allow some of these devices. That could mean they may be confiscated without the ability to snail mail them back to your home residence if checked when trying to get through customs! It’s a possibility I would avoid by leaving your comms gear at home. Check before you fly!
My son works for a small single engine and dual engine aircraft manufacturer. He's a test pilot for them and used to be in charge of Quality Control. He has A&P ratings, including jets. He tells me that "fly by wire" is literally wires, not radio signals. Way too many chances for RFI problems to allow wireless control of flight attitude. Even autopilot uses wires to control control-surface servos.
 

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Yes. Fly by wire uses an electronic interface via wires vice hydraulics like older aircraft.
 
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