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Trooper crashes, speeder he was chasing turns around to help!

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Not sure what lesson needed to be learned? The police officer shouldn't go fast? The speeder shouldn't return? The tire manufacturer needs to be sued?
 

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I was wondering the same thing Phil, the article said he said that he didn't know he was being chased, just saw the crash and turned around to help.. I am not sure if he lied about all that or what, but glad no one got hurt, that's for sure.
Who knows, they probably gave him a written warning, or the cops on scene might not of knew it was the speeder, who knows.. :-\
 

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The guy was late for an appointment? My Chief up at NORAD had a saying, one that I took to heart way back in '78: "Better never than late". I'm never late for anything. This guy, or the cop, coulda got someone, including each other, killed. -Rod-
 

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Up in New York it did happen, State Trooper out by Syracuse turned around on a crotch rocket that was "alegedly" well into the triple digits on a semi-country road. The trooper was responding to another call when the bike went by him. The trooper who was driving a Ford Explorer I believe (or some other SUV) turned around on the bike and tried to catch him, lost control and hit a tree and died in the accident. The kid on the bike never stopped, may not have even seen the trooper. The eventually caught the kid that was on the bike, and of course they authorites tried to hang him from the nearest tree, manslaughter charges, etc.. A couple of things in this story though. Lets assume the bike was over 100MPH, that means by the time the trooper turned around, the bike is at least a mile down the road, the kid on the bike would never see the trooper trying to chase him. The trooper is driving an SUV, which is not rated by the manufacturer for high-speed chases because they are unstable and tend to lose control. Third, the trooper was not wearing his seatbelt. Considering the the circumstances, I don't think manslaughter was the correct charge in this situation. Make your own judgement.
 

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Montana has some weird speed laws. I know at one time there was no speed limit on the highway during the day and night time speed limit was something like "what ever is reasonable and prudent for conditions"

Glad to hear everyone was uninjured.
 

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rdale said:
Not sure what lesson needed to be learned? The police officer shouldn't go fast? The speeder shouldn't return? The tire manufacturer needs to be sued?
The police have to exceed posted speed limits to do the job. Fact of life, especially State Troopers. The speeder should be cited (I am pissed he was let go). The tires that are used on police cars arent the best. The Goodyear Eagle RS-A's are standard from the factory, at least on police Crown Victorias. MY old department would switch to Firestone Firehawk PV41's after the RS-A's were shot and used the RS-A's for spares.
 

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CVPI4Ever said:
The police have to exceed posted speed limits to do the job. Fact of life, especially State Troopers. The speeder should be cited (I am pissed he was let go). The tires that are used on police cars arent the best. The Goodyear Eagle RS-A's are standard from the factory, at least on police Crown Victorias. MY old department would switch to Firestone Firehawk PV41's after the RS-A's were shot and used the RS-A's for spares.
Unless the motorist was driving in such a manner that he was threatening the safety of others on the highway I don't see the problem and the trooper should have continued on his way to more important matters. I'm one of those weird individuals that thinks people should be able to drive at speeds that they feel comfortable at and that todays cars and roads can handle with ease. Unfortunately, in this country (the US) we still suffer from the inane and senseless "speed kills" mantra so popular in the 70's & 80's. Lets call a spade a spade, highway speed enforcement today is primarily for revenue enhancement and has very little to do with "safety". Of course driving 55mph versus 75mph will cause less damage in an accident. So will driving 25mph versus 45mph. Why not got back to covered wagon days where speeds rarely exceeded 10mph? I've driven through the entire state of Montana twice (west to east and vice versa) and can tell you that 95mph is very safe and barely taxes todays automobiles. Except for the occasional 18 wheeler, I don't recall much traffic on the roads at all. As a matter of fact I was passed several times by state troopers doing well in excess of 100mph with no sirens or lights. Am I supposed to believe that a Ford Crown Victoria (aerodynamics of a brick) with full light bar and crappy tires can safely exceed 100mph but me in my BMW M3 is a menace at 90-95mph? Frankly I would rather that my state government be upfront and tell me that law enforcement needs new funds so a tax hike is needed instead of resorting to tactics like hiding behind bushes or behind a highway sign with a radar gun (or increasingly, LIDAR). Sorry for the rant, this is a pet peeve of mine :)
 

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overlord1 said:
Am I supposed to believe that a Ford Crown Victoria (aerodynamics of a brick) with full light bar and crappy tires can safely exceed 100mph but me in my BMW M3 is a menace at 90-95mph? Sorry for the rant, this is a pet peeve of mine :)
A very good point, but I might suggest that you are in the minority when compared to the majority of drivers on the road.

You might have a well-engineered and meticulously maintained vehicle, and pay close attention to the task while driving at such speeds. Unfortunately, the teeming masses out there do not possess the hardware or demonstrate the competence to safely accomplish such a task.

My fear knows no bounds when the oncoming driver on a two-lane road has a half dozen kids bouncing around in his 1984 Ford Escort, while he is juggling a Big Gulp, a cell phone, and the steering wheel. The fact that he has no clue that his vehicle or his actions might be considered unsafe simply adds to the excitement.

Sorry, but this is one of *my* peeves...;)
 

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Unless the motorist was driving in such a manner that he was threatening the safety of others on the highway I don't see the problem and the trooper should have continued on his way to more important matters. I'm one of those weird individuals that thinks people should be able to drive at speeds that they feel comfortable at and that todays cars and roads can handle with ease.
I disagree that the trooper should have continued, after all it's his job to enforce the laws. And who says he was on the way to more important matters? - For all we know he was just on patrol.
Anyhow, I support no speed limit on freeways, given the conditions (car, road, weather etc.) are right. It's usually not the speed itself that kills but rather driving too fast under poor conditions or by being reckless.
 
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wilbilt said:
A very good point, but I might suggest that you are in the minority when compared to the majority of drivers on the road.

You might have a well-engineered and meticulously maintained vehicle, and pay close attention to the task while driving at such speeds. Unfortunately, the teeming masses out there do not possess the hardware or demonstrate the competence to safely accomplish such a task.

My fear knows no bounds when the oncoming driver on a two-lane road has a half dozen kids bouncing around in his 1984 Ford Escort, while he is juggling a Big Gulp, a cell phone, and the steering wheel. The fact that he has no clue that his vehicle or his actions might be considered unsafe simply adds to the excitement.

Sorry, but this is one of *my* peeves...;)
Good points. I guess I should have specified that I am opposed to speed enforcement of artificially low speed limits on interstates and highways designed for high speed travel. Of course speed limits should be enforced in cities and towns and on roads not designed for safe travel at high speeds.
 

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I disagree that the trooper should have continued, after all it's his job to enforce the laws. And who says he was on the way to more important matters? - For all we know he was just on patrol.
Anyhow, I support no speed limit on freeways, given the conditions (car, road, weather etc.) are right. It's usually not the speed itself that kills but rather driving too fast under poor conditions or by being reckless.
I agree that speed in and of itself is rarely the cause of most traffic accidents. As you said poor driving conditions and inattention to the task at hand are big factors. I agree that the officer should enforce the law equally and fairly. The news article didn't specifically state whether the officer was patrolling an interstate or a rural road. If it was an interstate highway in Montana, most traffic is moving at speeds of 80mph-100mph including the cops. This is based on my experience driving through the state on a couple of occasions.
 

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studgeman said:
Up in New York it did happen, State Trooper out by Syracuse turned around on a crotch rocket that was "alegedly" well into the triple digits on a semi-country road. The trooper was responding to another call when the bike went by him. The trooper who was driving a Ford Explorer I believe (or some other SUV) turned around on the bike and tried to catch him, lost control and hit a tree and died in the accident. The kid on the bike never stopped, may not have even seen the trooper. The eventually caught the kid that was on the bike, and of course they authorites tried to hang him from the nearest tree, manslaughter charges, etc.. A couple of things in this story though. Lets assume the bike was over 100MPH, that means by the time the trooper turned around, the bike is at least a mile down the road, the kid on the bike would never see the trooper trying to chase him. The trooper is driving an SUV, which is not rated by the manufacturer for high-speed chases because they are unstable and tend to lose control. Third, the trooper was not wearing his seatbelt. Considering the the circumstances, I don't think manslaughter was the correct charge in this situation. Make your own judgement.
What was the officer thinking when he tried to chase a crotch rocket with a 3 ton SUV? How many times have we heard that you can't out run a radio? Just be thankful the officer didn't take out any other vehicles when he wiped out, as wrong as the kid was for speeding on his bike the only person responsible for the officers death was himself and possibly the department for giving him such a dangerous vehicle for patrolling the Interstate. That 3 ton sled belongs in the city or rural areas, not for high speed Interstate enforcement.
 

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It was an NYSP Tahoe that went sideways and T-boned itself on a large tree, killing the trooper.

Something that large has no business going that fast.
 

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I know the image is blurry, but that is the Max Speed recorded by my Garmin eTrex. yes, that says 107 MPH, the fastest my Stratus will go before the ECM shuts cuts the fuel supply. No traffic on the road, road was dry and obviously the cops didn't see me cause thats a 35MPH zone...Tell me again why it is cops need to be going in the high 3 digit speeds when most cars these days shut down at around the 110 mark?
 

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Probably the best thing he could do in light of the situation., If it was his car they would have caught up to him anyway..........Good scannin..........hoser147
 
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