N1SQB
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Anyone in the Iowa area Following this live?
FAA: Stolen Cessna from Canada tracked toward Iowa - The CNN Wire - CNN.com Blogs
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FAA: Stolen Cessna from Canada tracked toward Iowa - The CNN Wire - CNN.com Blogs
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kmacka
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This plane had to have come down by now, right?
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=7273710&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=7273710&page=1
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swstow
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from what i just saw on the news the plane landed and the pilot got away in the woods
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kmacka
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Yup. Plane did land and pilot took off on foot.
Stolen Cessna Pursued by Jet Fighters Lands on Highway - ABC News
Stolen Cessna Pursued by Jet Fighters Lands on Highway - ABC News
7 hours flight time?
Can a Cessna 172 stay airborne for 6 hours 55 minutes? Me and my two cousins used to rent one and fly around and we were hard pressed to get two hours flighttime out of it. Must be those Canadian engines.
edit: Looked on wiki and found the newer 172's have a range of 610 nautical miles (790 statue miles ((?)) at 55% power at 12,000 ft. Maybe so!?
Can a Cessna 172 stay airborne for 6 hours 55 minutes? Me and my two cousins used to rent one and fly around and we were hard pressed to get two hours flighttime out of it. Must be those Canadian engines.
edit: Looked on wiki and found the newer 172's have a range of 610 nautical miles (790 statue miles ((?)) at 55% power at 12,000 ft. Maybe so!?
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karldotcom
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I am pretty sure I saw the aircraft on the St Louis PASSUR website....they passed west off St Louis at 14000 ft..at first the aircraft looked right on top of each other...then one of the blips would occasionally make a 360 and come back behind the first one. I am assuming that was the F16 flight of two....both IDs were blanked out, meaning just the altitude was show...no aircraft type.
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FOXNews.com - U.S. Scrambles Fighter Jets to Intercept 'Stolen' Plane - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News
The pilot did take off on foot but was finally arrested. The article above states that the plane was fueled up enough to stay in flight for 8 hours.
The pilot did take off on foot but was finally arrested. The article above states that the plane was fueled up enough to stay in flight for 8 hours.
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Wow, I picked a great day to NOT have been scanning milair. :evil:
ABC stated the plane was chased for 5 hours by two F-16s and landed at Elsinore, Mo at 9:50 pm EDT. Google maps indicates its 798 miles from Thunder Bay Ontario to Elsinore. The pilot was a former Turk who was a naturalized citizen of Canada 31 years old. He flew as high as 14,500 ft and descended to 3700 ft presumably because he ran out of oxygen. He landed on route 60 and ran from the plane only to be apprehended by US law enforcement.
My question is: Is it normal to park a plane with full fuel tanks? Something just don't smell right here.
My question is: Is it normal to park a plane with full fuel tanks? Something just don't smell right here.
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He should have been over wooded, remote areas quite a few times and in my opinion the Vipers should have lit him up right then. Show folks, after 9/11 that the US isn't joking. Make an example out of him.
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I have to agree!
"The pilot was flying erratically and didn't communicate with the fighter pilots, said Mike Kucharek, spokesman for the North American Aerospace Defense Command in Colorado.The pilot had acknowledged seeing the F-16s but he didn't obey their nonverbal commands to follow them, Kucharek said. The approaching flight prompted a brief, precautionary evacuation of the Wisconsin capitol in Madison, although there were few workers in the building at the time and the governor was not in town."
While I am not normaly in favor of shooting down civilian aircraft, I tend to agree that this is one instance where that would have been proper. What if that was a terrorist flying the plane and it was filled with either explosives or worse, some kind of dirty bomb or something? Come on people 5 hours? Just let him pick and choose his target why dont ya. Unreal! If this had happened even 1 year after 9/11 this guy would have been toast. We just showed the world,exactly how much you can STILL get away with in this country.
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"The pilot was flying erratically and didn't communicate with the fighter pilots, said Mike Kucharek, spokesman for the North American Aerospace Defense Command in Colorado.The pilot had acknowledged seeing the F-16s but he didn't obey their nonverbal commands to follow them, Kucharek said. The approaching flight prompted a brief, precautionary evacuation of the Wisconsin capitol in Madison, although there were few workers in the building at the time and the governor was not in town."
While I am not normaly in favor of shooting down civilian aircraft, I tend to agree that this is one instance where that would have been proper. What if that was a terrorist flying the plane and it was filled with either explosives or worse, some kind of dirty bomb or something? Come on people 5 hours? Just let him pick and choose his target why dont ya. Unreal! If this had happened even 1 year after 9/11 this guy would have been toast. We just showed the world,exactly how much you can STILL get away with in this country.
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Maybe they had better intelligence on him and/or the plane than they are putting out in the news?
N1SQB
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Could be, however it is one hell of a chance to take though. He was also said to be suicidal hoping to be shot down by the US. Maybe they knew this and were hoping to talk him out of it. Who knows at this point. I just think 5 hours is WAY too long to just not do anything. I mean really, he could have just decided to end it all and crash into a building or something....You never know these days. I feel for the family of the other idiot who crashed a plane into a mall area killing his 5 year old. What is it with people using small planes these days? Easy access I guess...
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At the very least they probably knew he didn't have the plane loaded with explosives or Ricin.
So then the issue is how much damage he could really do with 60 gallons of avgas carried by 1500lb of raging aluminum? Leave an oil slick in the drinking water? Start a grassfire? Cause a traffic jam?
The longer he flew, the less gas left onboard.
I think putting Vipers alongside was a waste of jet fuel. Evacuating the capitol was just silly self-importance by paid worriers. They should have just told him to call them when he's decided what he'll do.
The Press and "security officials" vastly overstate the possible damage a light plane could do while vastly under-reporting road stupidity by gasoline tank truck drivers.
So then the issue is how much damage he could really do with 60 gallons of avgas carried by 1500lb of raging aluminum? Leave an oil slick in the drinking water? Start a grassfire? Cause a traffic jam?
The longer he flew, the less gas left onboard.
I think putting Vipers alongside was a waste of jet fuel. Evacuating the capitol was just silly self-importance by paid worriers. They should have just told him to call them when he's decided what he'll do.
The Press and "security officials" vastly overstate the possible damage a light plane could do while vastly under-reporting road stupidity by gasoline tank truck drivers.
Sixty gallons of aviation grade fuel.. hmmm Lets see... If you can burn down a multibuilding complex with only 1 (ONE) gallon of regular gasoline.... If you can add the damage of that weight crashing into an object at say 100 MPH or better.... Lets just say that you could easily take out a Wal Mart Supercenter. Just my two cents, but if a plane is stolen, and is located in the air, and there is minimum risk of civilian casualties, then by all means put a missile or a few rounds of hot lead into the aircraft and put it down. We brag about being a 0 tolerance nation yet we tolerate quite a lot. This is a good and bad thing. On to the next episode.
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Im not a science buff so I cant tell you with exact precision just how much damage he could have done with the amount of fuel he had onboard. However, as milf pointed out, he could have crashed into a mall/shopping area and took out a few innocent lives. If he only crashed and killed 1 person on the ground, thats one American life too many for my book.
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