The Troy city schools are on that p25 system and migration is and has been in progress for sometime. they have had the ability to use the system since its been live but only a few cars were equipped with the new digital radios at the time. as far time frame for full migrations weeks to a few months not entirely sure. who knows what they will ultimately end up doing things change on a regular basis. and as FDNY10-75 said theyre already several tgids that are encrypted on both systems........How's that P25 system doing they have while they use the analog EDACS? Last I knew the edacs was patched to the P25. Does this mean they're moving to their P25 system with the purchase of new radios? They've had that P25 for what a decade now?
Our main police dispatch talk group at my agency is not encrypted. When there is something sensitive going on, we have an encrypted talk group that we can switch over to and use. There is no reason to have a main dispatch channel encrypted.
Why?I find it amusing that "criminal enterprises" is the only reason cited above as a possible justification as to why an agency would opt to migrate toward encryption of their voice radio systems.
All UHF input frequencies are a standard offset so it does not take a genius to determine the input once the output is known. Scanners and the CCRs all will automatically read out the PL/DPL so keeping them "secret" is futile.I listend to NYPD, Chicago and other cities during the riots. It blows me away that input frequencies for NYPD and other "high risk" agencies are listed in the database. Where exactly does anyone believe they got those freqs for their CCR baofengs anywhere else but there? RR is the top result for googling NYPD freqs. They're not listed anywhere else but here
Come on man...
To the average cop, the incident THAT COP IS AT, is a "sensitive operation."Encryption is certainly necessary for sensitive operations.
If you're going to "blame" RR for the frequency information, then equal blame has to go the eBay, etc, who "allowed" the CCRs to be sold on their platforms. Besides, as stated above, the xmit frequencies (in most cases, but not all) can be determined by way of a mathematic "formula" (for lack of a better term). It's like blaming gun manufacturers for all the crime. If the database was eliminated today, one way or the other, "criminal enterprises" could still come up with the xmit frequencies, if they needed or wanted them.It blows me away that input frequencies for NYPD and other "high risk" agencies are listed in the database.
Right, and "sensitive" can also refer to private information. I have heard cops give out people's names and social security numbers over the air. I have heard dispatchers giving out alarm codes to private residences over the air. None of this information should be communicated over a clear channel.To the average cop, the incident THAT COP IS AT, is a "sensitive operation."
We can't sit "on high," in our easy chairs and radio shacks, and mandate the determination of what is, and what isn't, a "sensitive operation," just to keep going what has been described here as "a hobby."