Trying To Figure Out Local Cap+ System (GoTrbo?)

[rkillins]

I am using DSD+ Fastlane to monitor traffic on 451.5750. DSD+ reports "Cap+ Site: 1 DCC: 6". A TAFL search comes back as belonging Spectrum Communications.
mciupa has advised that this is the GoTrbo Network, Site 8, for which Spectrum is part of. Site 8 is Waterloo Region, from where I am, but DSD+ is reporting it as site 1, which is Ottawa. I have only monitored one TG on this system so far. DSD+ is reporting it as 67. Looking at the other talkgroups in the GoTrbo network, this seems unusual as all the other talkgroups have 8 digit talkgroup IDs.

Have I set up DSD+ wrong? Does the site number get transmitted, or does DSD+ default to 1, and then I have to change it in the Sites file. I did that as an experiment, and DSD+ reported Current site: 8, and then it was immediately followed by Current site: 1. Since I had only frequencies entered for site 8, I got the message from DSD+ stating no frequencies had been set up.

 

[mciupa]

What system ID are you seeing? GOTRBO is 202.

 

[ATCTech]

Given that GOTRBO has basically collapsed the number of sites around the GTA to just Fonthill it would be most beneficial if someone else who monitors the Kitchener site could confirm that it's even still in use on that network. Did you create all the DSD+ entries in the sites and frequencies files for it or are you manually monitoring a single (hopefully) CC frequency for it?

I just had a look at the Fonthill site, still there, still calls on it, but reporting NO neighbors.

 

[relicwr]

DSD+ can give false readings if the signal is weak or gets interference. I have my county P25 1 system that will throw out so many false radio and TG ID's to the .radios and .groups files that I just let it go.

 

[rkillins]

What system ID are you seeing? GOTRBO is 202.

I am not seeing a network ID. Just what I posted in my original post. "Cap+ Site: 1 DCC: 6"

Did you create all the DSD+ entries in the sites and frequencies files for it or are you manually monitoring a single (hopefully) CC frequency for it?

I did when mciupa advised I was likely listening to GoTrbo (202-8). I added 202 to the network list, site 8 to the site file and the frequencies associated to 202-8 from RR into ther frequencies file. But then I noticed the behaviour mentioned in my op. The site, although I designated 451.5750 to site 8, kept defaulting to Site 1.

 

[rkillins]

TG 67 appears to be landfill operations.

 

[ATCTech]

GOTRBO is Connect Plus, not Capacity Plus, so that's a big clue.

Here's the way your frequency file entry should look based on the data online here:

; Kitchener (8)

Con+, 202, 8, 1, 454.4875, 0.0, 0 ; CC
Con+, 202, 8, 3, 452.4250, 0.0, 0
Con+, 202, 8, 5, 454.0750, 0.0, 0

Your sites file should have an entry similar to this:

Con+, 202, 8, "Kitchener"

...and the Networks file should have this line:

Con+, 202, "GOTRBO"

If DSD+ isn't reporting Site 8 and CON+ then I'd say that's another decommissioned GOTRBO location.

 

[rkillins]

Yeah ... DSD+ is reporting it as a CAP+, so really no idea what I'm listening to. It may not even be a trunked system.
The frequencies in your example would have to be the site 8 frequencies right?

 

[ATCTech]

Yeah ... DSD+ is reporting it as a CAP+, so really no idea what I'm listening to. It may not even be a trunked system.
The frequencies in your example would have to be the site 8 frequencies right?

Kinda!

I see my edit to the first frequency didn't save, so this should be correct:

Con+, 202, 8, 1, 451.5750, 0.0, 0 ; CC
Con+, 202, 8, 3, 452.4250, 0.0, 0
Con+, 202, 8, 5, 454.0750, 0.0, 0

 

[mciupa]

Perhaps the GOTRBO Site 8 is de-commissioned. If that is the case and once we know for sure, I can create a Spectrum Communications DMR entry for the database.

 

[ATCTech]

I wouldn't just yet Mike. If you search the number of licenses Spectrum has in south western Ontario across both the VHF and UHF bands there could any number of things in the works. I just looked at the sole London ConnectPlus frequency in the TAFL. There's no license and it's odd that nobody here has ever submitted additional frequencies. I think we're one site away from calling ConnectPlus completely decomissioned, at least at this end of the 401. I'd just call site 8 "Off air" or whatever term you used for Toronto etc. for now.

 

[mbstone99]

I am using DSD+ Fastlane to monitor traffic on 451.5750. DSD+ reports "Cap+ Site: 1 DCC: 6". A TAFL search comes back as belonging Spectrum Communications.
mciupa has advised that this is the GoTrbo Network, Site 8, for which Spectrum is part of. Site 8 is Waterloo Region, from where I am, but DSD+ is reporting it as site 1, which is Ottawa. I have only monitored one TG on this system so far. DSD+ is reporting it as 67. Looking at the other talkgroups in the GoTrbo network, this seems unusual as all the other talkgroups have 8 digit talkgroup IDs.

Have I set up DSD+ wrong? Does the site number get transmitted, or does DSD+ default to 1, and then I have to change it in the Sites file. I did that as an experiment, and DSD+ reported Current site: 8, and then it was immediately followed by Current site: 1. Since I had only frequencies entered for site 8, I got the message from DSD+ stating no frequencies had been set up.

I was looking at my scanner and saw another Spectrum Comm frequency (463.6875) that I have heard up there in K/W. It too showed DMR Cap+ with a CC of 6 (and a LCN of 1). I also heard a TG of 243 but no idea what it was. I am not sure when I heard it but it must of been a while ago (maybe earlier this year) as I haven't been up that way in a while. But it could be related to this frequency,

Matt

 

[rkillins]

CAP+ systems don't broadcast their network id's correct?

 

[rkorchensky]

Just FYI rkillins I am getting exactly the same results as you. Have been trying to figure this out for months.

2 more FYI's Rob

1: I sent you a PM on Nov 11. Still unread.

2: I have logged 5 TG's on this site. 15, 67, 68, 151, and 243. 151 once mentioned something about "the region will be flooding tonight" and I agree 67 sounds like region landfill.

 

[ATCTech]

CAP+ systems don't broadcast their network id's correct?

Correct, you need to make something up of your choice to create the frequencies file entries, plus you need to manually interpret the proper order of the frequencies as you find them. TAFL license data for the specific address comes in handy for establishing possible frequencies for the system. Remember too that the control channel signal hops around very frequently depending on activity.

Here's mine for the Air Transat system at YYZ for example.

; Air Transat YYZ

Cap+, 999, 1, 1, 460.8750, 0.0, 0
Cap+, 999, 1, 3, 461.6500, 0.0, 0
Cap+, 999, 1, 5, 463.1500, 0.0, 0

I arbitrarily used "999" as it's system ID.

 

[Forts]

I just looked at the sole London ConnectPlus frequency in the TAFL. There's no license and it's odd that nobody here has ever submitted additional frequencies.

That's because there aren't any additional frequencies....

I think it's safe to to that OnQ is the dominant system across the region when it comes to utility/commercial type use and the TRBO networks have fallen by the wayside.

 

[ATCTech]

Agreed 100%, Forts! That's basically what I was suggesting in noting that the London site had never expanded beyond 1 frequency.

 

[rkorchensky]

OK.. Everybody already knows all this but I will present it anyway

CGN489 is licensed to Spectrum at 315 Margaret St Kitchener.

3 frequencies are 452.525, 451.575, and 454.075 and I believe in that order.

It is a CAP+, Site 1, DCC6. and so far TG's 15, 67, 68, 151, and 243 have been logged.

Gotta start somewhere........

Ralph VE3EUK

 

[ATCTech]

Good work Ralph, thanks!

 

[mciupa]

System created @ Spectrum Communications (Kitchener) Trunking System, Kitchener, Ontario - Scanner Frequencies