Turning Stone

[nacsr]

Was receiving all Casino talk groups,now only the Shuttle buses and golf courses. Anyone else notice this? I don't believe anything changed on my end.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Casinos tend to be encrypted. Maybe they flipped the switch.

 

[R0am3r]

@nacsr - I can hear traffic on 454.1125, 454.2625, 454.3125, and 454.5125. My guess is you are seeing the effects of Foliage Attenuation. Those pesky oxygen producers (e.g., trees) are a real issue for UHF signals. Things will get better next winter.

Check out this old thread:

Foliage Attenuation Study

It comes up every year about this time... "Everything sounded good yesterday, but suddenly I'm not getting signals on systems that used to be strong." It doen't explain all causes, but if Spring is here, foliage attenuation can be a significant factor...especially for higher frequencies and...

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The Turning Stone transmissions are not encrypted.

 

[W1KNE]

Casinos tend to be encrypted. Maybe they flipped the switch.

No they don't. Only a few I've ever seen have been encrypted. Most are open and in the clear.

 

[pro106import]

No they don't. Only a few I've ever seen have been encrypted. Most are open and in the clear.

Except Vegas. Quite a few encrypted there.

 

[dave3825]

Except Vegas. Quite a few encrypted there.

Quite a few in Atlantic City are zipped up tight also.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Add Rivers Casino in Schenectady to the E list.

 

[dave3825]

Add Rivers Casino in Schenectady to the E list.

Submit Data for: Schenectady County, NY​

 

[studgeman]

Don't forget TR Casino and other OIN sites are XPT DMR so you really have to scan each frequency individually and not as a trunked system.

 

[W1KNE]

Except Vegas. Quite a few encrypted there.

Check that again. Unless RR is woefully incorrect. There are 5 out of 44 Casinos in Vegas encrypted. 11% are encrypted.
Unfortunately Atlantic City is missing a lot of data.
Here in Southern New England, we have six that I can think of off the top of my head. (Plainridge, MGM Springfield, Wynn, Foxwoods, Mohegan, and Twin River.). Only 1 (Wynn) is ENC.

I stand by my original statement. Most are open and in the clear.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Submit Data for: Schenectady County, NY​

As the TGs are unidentifiable due to encryption, it seems any submission would not meet RRDB requirements.

 

[k2hz]

As the TGs are unidentifiable due to encryption, it seems any submission would not meet RRDB requirements.

See Finger Lakes and del Lago for encrypted casino listings. In Western NY encryption seems to be popular with commercial casinos while the Native American ones are not.

 

[dave3825]

As the TGs are unidentifiable due to encryption, it seems any submission would not meet RRDB requirements.

And yet there are many systems in the database without tg's. They even ask for people to help identify and submit them.





Found 3 in about a minute.

American Airlines (LGA) Trunking System, Queens, New York

American Airlines (LGA) Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

Kickapoo Casino Trunking System, East of Harrah, Oklahoma

Kickapoo Casino Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

Harrahs Cherokee Valley River Casino and Hotel Trunking System, Murphy, North Carolina

Harrahs Cherokee Valley River Casino and Hotel Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

There are more.


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[pro106import]

Check that again. Unless RR is woefully incorrect. There are 5 out of 44 Casinos in Vegas encrypted. 11% are encrypted.
Unfortunately Atlantic City is missing a lot of data.
Here in Southern New England, we have six that I can think of off the top of my head. (Plainridge, MGM Springfield, Wynn, Foxwoods, Mohegan, and Twin River.). Only 1 (Wynn) is ENC.

I stand by my original statement. Most are open and in the clear.

I was just there for 2 weeks and ALL of Caesars properties are 100% encrypted and have been for 5 years now, and many other non-MGM properties are encrypted. So yes, quite a few.

 

[GTR8000]

As the TGs are unidentifiable due to encryption, it seems any submission would not meet RRDB requirements.

Are you sure about that, or are you merely speculating about RR policy? Here is the official policy on including encrypted talkgroups:

Database Administrator Handbook Live Version - The RadioReference Wiki

wiki.radioreference.com

 

[GTR8000]

And yet there are many systems in the database without tg's. They even ask for people to help identify and submit them.

View attachment 161529


Found 3 in about a minute.

American Airlines (LGA) Trunking System, Queens, New York

American Airlines (LGA) Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

Kickapoo Casino Trunking System, East of Harrah, Oklahoma

Kickapoo Casino Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

Harrahs Cherokee Valley River Casino and Hotel Trunking System, Murphy, North Carolina

Harrahs Cherokee Valley River Casino and Hotel Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

There are more.

That's a generic message that pops up automatically when no talkgroups have been added. It's not a request to start submitting talkgroups that don't meet RR guidelines, which I've posted in response to NF2G's comment.

 

[GTR8000]

Perhaps we should get back on topic instead of talking about system in Vegas or AC. Seems like post #3 confirms the talkgroups in the RRDB are still valid and are in the clear.

 

[nacsr]

Perhaps we should get back on topic instead of talking about system in Vegas or AC. Seems like post #3 confirms the talkgroups in the RRDB are still valid and are in the clear.

I agree.