UCAN Rebanding has started

[KT7L]

Are you getting a pretty high decode value.

852.9120 is not valid; it is is either channel number 75 at 852.8875 or channel number 76 at 852.9125. I wonder if your just above or below making the scanner feed not clear enoght for a good decode.

GMikey.... You are SO right! The person who gave me the reband CC had dropped the last digit !!

The correct CC for Site 22 is 852.9125

I'll run some more tests and post later! Thanks for the catch !

UPDATE:

I reloaded the 'reband bandplan', and everything is now working correctly.

My 'Good enough for Tim' Channels for LEWIS are now:

LCN FREQUENCY HITS CONTROL?
52 852.3125 6
76 852.9125 0 YES
85 853.1375 586
95 853.3875 616
503 852.6000 45
528 864.2125 0 OLD CC, now ALT

 

[theaton]

Lewis

My 'Good enough for Tim' Channels for LEWIS are now:

LCN FREQUENCY HITS CONTROL?
52 852.3125 6
76 852.9125 0 YES
85 853.1375 586
95 853.3875 616
503 852.6000 45
528 864.2125 0 OLD CC, now ALT

Thanks. I assume 'Good enough for Tim' means 99.9% certainty. :wink:

-Tim

 

[KT7L]

Thanks. I assume 'Good enough for Tim' means 99.9% certainty. :wink:

-Tim

Well, only if you think I have UT Alpha set up correctly -- I believe I do, and have been montoring the CC in search mode, and it seems to correspond to the UT output quite well....

-- Bob

 

[theaton]

Well, only if you think I have UT Alpha set up correctly -- I believe I do, and have been montoring the CC in search mode, and it seems to correspond to the UT output quite well....

-- Bob

It was just a joke. :wink: If there's a problem I'm sure it will be discovered soon enough.

Does your system discover all the voice channels on a site without actually hearing transmissions on all of them? How does it determine how many are used?

-Tim

 

[KT7L]

Does your system discover all the voice channels on a site without actually hearing transmissions on all of them? How does it determine how many are used?

-Tim

Damn good question, Tim.... I am no UT expert, and I don't know all the info that is contained in a CC header, but from what I observe, there is info there on all the CC's that are associated with that Site, including the Alt CC.

The audio channels get picked up by UT as they are used for the first time -- you can watch this by deleting the Channels, and watch them return w/activity. If one were assigned, but inactive -- I doubt it would show. Lewis, for example, is listed as a 7 channel system on UT -- but I bet there is an 8th channel sitting there, but not in use.

Of course GMikey or Rick could comment, and blow my theories out of the water

-- Bob

 

[qlajlu]

LCN FREQUENCY HITS CONTROL?
52 852.3125 6
76 852.9125 0 YES
85 853.1375 586
95 853.3875 616
503 852.6000 45
528 864.2125 0 OLD CC, now ALT

I have a question concerning LCNs. Does the LCN have the same frequency attached to it throughout the entire system? Take LCN 95, for instance. Will you find 853.3875 MHz (rebanded) wherever you find LCN 95? ...or will LCN 95 show up on another site with a different frequency attached?

I realize that the same LCN on a different system will likely have a different frequency; at least that is what my intuition tells me, but I have been wrong before. :roll:

 

[gadgetmikey]

It should be the same on all the Motorola 800 MHz 3600 baud systems, of course the rebanded ones will have the updated one in them.

Like KT7L said even with trunker other than the control channels the only time you see the voice channels is when there is traffic on them.

-Mike

 

[shootinnews]

Playing around with the scanner today...

I've been messing around with my 396T scanner today because of the rebanding stuff. I placed all of the freqs on site 006 Promontory Point since I live up in Layton and have been picking up tons of stuff! Placed all the freqs not using CC only mode in one system and sounds great. So, just wondering, am I missing something?

 

[ww7y]

I've been messing around with my 396T scanner today because of the rebanding stuff. I placed all of the freqs on site 006 Promontory Point since I live up in Layton and have been picking up tons of stuff! Placed all the freqs not using CC only mode in one system and sounds great. So, just wondering, am I missing something?

I wonder if the radio is actually following a conversation as it goes from one voice channel to another, or are you just picking it up due to the low usage on Promontory and the small number of voice channels and the scanner is just going into scan mode, only to stop on the next channel being used.

Does that make sense?

 

[shootinnews]

Doesnt look that way

I downloaded the latest Firmware 2.00.07 for my 396T Thursday, placed the freqs on

Site-006 Promontory Point
851.25000
851.57500
851.73750
852.87500
853.35000
853.70000

in that order on 800Mhz Standard, placed a couple TGID's for Box Elder Co in there and placed it on search mode instead of scan mode and away she went!

851.7375 is the CC it continues to stop on.

 

[qlajlu]

Now seeing on Site 6 Promontory Point
LCN - Freq - Use
29 - 851.73750 - Voice
449 - 851.25000 - Voice
462 - 851.57500 - Alt. CC
514 - 852.87500 - Voice
533 - 853.35000 - Voice
547 - 853.70000 - CC

Steve

851.7375 is the CC it continues to stop on.

shootinnews, 851.7375 is a voice frequency, not a CC.

I placed all of the freqs on site 006 Promontory Point since I live up in Layton and have been picking up tons of stuff! Placed all the freqs not using CC only mode in one system and sounds great. So, just wondering, am I missing something?

Actually, I'm a little confused. Are you saying you cannot copy anything or that you are getting too much or that you don't know what you are getting?

 

[shootinnews]

Well

My bad about the CC, most of the traffic stops on 853.70000 and 851.73750, does that help.
Just wondering why it seems as if no one is hearing anything except with the use of a trunk tracker of sortswith the rebanded freqs, or is just me? I'm just saying I have placed these new rebanded freqs in and I'm hearing everything just fine. So, am I just reading the post incorrectly assuming others are having issues with the rebanded freqs? Or am I dork?

I know what I am getting, know what I have. Am I the only one?

 

[ww7y]

My bad about the CC, most of the traffic stops on 853.70000 and 851.73750, does that help.
Just wondering why it seems as if no one is hearing anything except with the use of a trunk tracker of sortswith the rebanded freqs, or is just me? I'm just saying I have placed these new rebanded freqs in and I'm hearing everything just fine. So, am I just reading the post incorrectly assuming others are having issues with the rebanded freqs? Or am I dork?

I know what I am getting, know what I have. Am I the only one?

Don't know what is happening at your house, but here, I'm using an old BC780xlt and a BC246T. The only way I can get ANY voice traffic from Promontory since the reband is with CC OFF and all the new freqs loaded in the scanner. I can watch all the traffic on Promontory with UniTrunker and the new bandplans.

However, the ONLY voice channel I am receiving is 851.7375....nothing on the other voice channels, even though traffic is on them, as I can see it with UniTrunker. This makes sense because rebanding doesn't affect the LCNs ending with a five, such as 851.7375, they are the same as before. But the ones ending in 0 like 853.3500 are affected. They weren't even used before rebanding and that is due to the channel spacing being reduced from 25 Khz to 12.5 Khz under rebanding. This has a great effect on Promontory, as all but one of it's voice channels end in a 0. Lewis Peak, on the other hand only has 1 voice channel ending in 0....so most of the traffic there is copyable with the old pre-rebanding bandplans.

I hear lots of traffic on Promontory, but there is alot more I don't hear.

Now, on my new PSR600, with the new rebanded bandplan, I hear all the traffic, on all the channels, as verified on UniTrunker.

Can't speak for your 396, but see if you see any voice channels ending in 0....if you don't, you are missing traffic. It is there.

Steve

 

[shootinnews]

These two

keep popping up on 853.70000 and 851.7375, I will record the info tonight! Let you know what my compy says in the morning!

Thanks for breaking it down in English!

 

[theaton]

shootinnews, have you programmed these frequencies as part of a trunked system, or are you scanning the individual frequencies as though they were conventional? Any scanner should be able to hear the traffic by the latter method.

-Tim

 

[bneilson]

Site 27 - Daniels Canyon - REBANDED

Hey guys,

I was up watching the Sheepdog trials over the weekend and was able to copy Site 27 Daniels Canyon.

The CC was 853.91250 and was IDing as "S27" "Daniel"

I will be back up in that area again this weekend and will see if I can grab a few more frequencies for the site.

 

[shootinnews]

?????

I'm not sure what part I'm not explaining properly. I have programed it just all the others, trunked! I have separated my site in my scanner with all freqs, not CC only, in trunked mode, Motorola type 2. All I'm trying to say is that I hear everything just fine. Am I missing something? Ill let you know, I'm running to scanners to see what I miss.

 

[enosjones]

I drove past Teat Peak on Saturday, with the same results as Junior1970. I did have UT running and the screenshots are attached. I dont know why there are no audio channels shown. Does anyone else know? At this point I was just reading the CC, without regard to whether or not my scanner can actually tune to each frequency, right?

On the bottom of the first screen it shows an alias of TEAT. I did not enter that - it must have been read from the data stream. I had never noticed data in that field before, but I had never used this new release of UT either. This will be nice to verify our names with the site names used by the UCAN techs.

I also drove past Levan, Gunnison, Barton Pk, and Mt Baldy. I did not Rx anything, new band or old, from Levan. I wondered if they were working on it right then. Gunnison and Barton were unchanged and still using the old freqs. Baldy was still quiet, as before.

I am going to Manti tommorrow. I know as far as locations of the sites go that one of the 3 can be heard better in Richfield than Manti. I mention this because there is a Question of the locations of some of the sites down in that area. I will update with Site #'s Control And Voice Channels and anything else when i get back. i will also Check for a new one and see if Mt Baldy is up. I will not have a laptop or trunker program with me just my 396T.

I dont know which way we will take but i will update when i get back.

 

[shootinnews]

Promontory Point

Ran virtual scanner since Thursday on Promontory Point and 851.7375 & 853.7000 are the only channels that appeared over and over. Left in on scan and not search, so I only received programmed TGID's from Weber,Cache and Box Elder.

 

[tbogs]

Seems that Site 015 (Point of the Mountain) has been switched over.

Here are the frequencies that I have received from UniTrunker:

853.72500 Control Channel
852.88750 Alt Control Channel
851.78750 Voice
852.28750 Voice
851.32500 Voice
852.57500 Voice
853.25000 Voice