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ncarpenter

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After looking at many pictures from across the pond here in the US, I'm noticing there are a lot of Met. P.C.s with what appears to be a "Jedi" style microphone, but they have an antenna on them. I can't find any speaker mics like that here in the States. Anyone know what radio system this belongs to (Tetra?) and/or the model of the speaker-mic?

I've included a link that clearly shows the mic on the constable's vest.

Thanks (or Cheers)!

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I can not say what radio the mic's in the picture are for but in Chicago in the late 60's and early 70's the Chicago Police was using a belt mounted (HT) radio with the ant on the mic and Motorola was the mgf. This was in the 460Mhz range.
 

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Yes, I have the older version with an antenna installed (more of a square style design). I have never seen the Jedi style with an antenna, however. It looks quite stylish, actually. Wouldn't mind having one myself! The radio they attach to appears to be the American style MTS2000.
 

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Hi there,

Just give you an insight about Emergency Comms in the UK.

Prior to 2004, the Police used to use both VHF and UHF.

VHF radios (often made by Cleartone) were fitted to cars and were primarily AM modulation with frequencies between 150.000 and 155.000 mhz. These would be used to talk to the County controller.
Most counties were split into regions. For example North, Central, South each having a county channel used for dispatching Traffic Cars (Motorway), ARV Armed Vehicles and other non. local incidents.


Also used were UHF radios in the 450.0000 to 453.0000 band, both installed in Cars and portables. These would be used to communicate locally, often through one or two linked repeaters to give communications within a town or district.

Portables varied from county to county but usually were either made by Phillips or Motorola set to output 2 Watts.

99 channel Motorola HT600E's (MT1000 clones) were issued from the late eighties and provided a good 10 years service for most counties. Some chose to replace this equipment in the late nineties and most chose MT6000E's (HT1000 in US I think) as the logical replacement. From the early nineties, most counties choose to use speaker mics and these had antenna ports to improve signal coverage.

In the late nineties however, there was allot of speculation about rumours of a digital system being thought about as a UK wide system. This put many counties radio replacement schemes into 'HOLD' as they waited to see the outcome of the rumours. This lead in some cases to some counties using their original HT600E's right up to 2003.

Some counties however, didn't wait and in 1997 Staffordshire County Police set up one of the first large scale Motorola SmartNet systems in the UK. Called StarNet. StarNet was to be a pioneer in grouping both Police, Ambulance and Fire into one system. The VHF system was commissioned and as it progressed, the Ambulance service dropped out of the project shortly after leaving just the Fire service and Police. Portable radios were mostly Moto MTS2000 keypad and non keypad, mobile radios were Moto MCS2000

The Met Police of London commissioned a UHF SmartNet system around the same time using around 15 sites spread over london and its boroughs. Indeed some remaining boroughs are still on the system.


In 2001, the biggest shake up in Emergency Communications for over 30 years was announced. The project called 'Airwave'. Airwave was due to bring all emergency services onto one platform, UHF TETRA. This would allow seamless roaming throughout the whole country. Two manufacturers provide the radios, Motorola has its MTH800 portable and MTM800 mobile radio and Sepura. These radios use 1 watt of output in the 390mhz band.

Police Forces between 2001 and 2006, began to switch with Lancashire Police being the first and London's Met Police being the last. Indeed the Met Police are still rolling out the system in some boroughs.

The Fire Service currently use lowband VHF, some use AM some FM but all are in the 70mhz band. Scottish brigades use 155mhz. All are due to move to Airwave by 2010.

The Ambulance service, which currently uses channels in the 166mhz area will also be switching to Airwave by 2010.

None of the equipment is owned by the Uk Forces, its owned by company O2, formally British Telecom. The users have to buy the radios and then pay for the airtime they use. This rather stupid (in my opinion) implementation has lead to officers in the field to be told not to use their radios too often as it racks up the bill!! No not a joke!

All in all quite a colourful history, and as Airwave is digital encrypted many, many times over, we have no emergency services to listen to! So US, think yourselves lucky!

Class dismissed! Do I get a prize for longest answer to a single question?

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Quite a wonderful answer, anyway. Thank you for the insight. I do feel sorry that you aren't able to listen to emergency services in your areas!
 

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......and that's exactly how it will end up here one day.

Someone will roll out a nationwide system comparable to Nextel, everyone will get on board, airtime will be charged, it will all be encrypted.

That's my prediction anway.
 

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ncarpenter said:
I do feel sorry that you aren't able to listen to emergency services in your areas!

A lot of the emergency sevice comms can be monitored still. Airwave takes out most of the plod traffic (which is routine and fairly boring for the most part anyway) but most ambo and brigade stuff is still accessible. Add to this quite a lot of the data traffic that can be monitored and there is still a lot left.
 

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Thats very true, there are still quite some traffic. Depending on your area, you will hear airpol and some fire on the AM bands.
 

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Yes true, for now but in 2 or 3 years all except Fireground UHF will be on Airwave.

Allthough alot of people disagree, listening to the Police was the main interest (especially for me) in scanners. Especially listening to whats going on in the local area, it also gives you an insight on just what a good job the Police and control staff do. Something you wouldnt know otherwise. This I fear is where alot of the disrespect for the Police comes in, lack of understanding about what the Police do.

My main interest now is trunktracking MPT systems ect but still like listening to the Fire Service on good old lowband VHF whilst I can.

Dont want to sound too gloomy but I guess at some point most stuff worth listening too will be encrypted, its a shame but its allmost a fact.

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citylink_uk said:
Allthough alot of people disagree, listening to the Police was the main interest (especially for me) in scanners. Especially listening to whats going on in the local area, it also gives you an insight on just what a good job the Police and control staff do. Something you wouldnt know otherwise. This I fear is where alot of the disrespect for the Police comes in, lack of understanding about what the Police do.

Richard
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Going further off-topic : I suspect the real reason people show less respect for the plod is that they generally show less respect for the populace, they appear (sic) to pick on easy targets, they are never seen "on the beat". The proportion of people who would have listened to their generally inane waffle (and yes, standards of radio communications are worse now too) on the radio was very small.

If you want to reply Richard please start a new thread to keep things a bit tidier.
 
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