Ulster & Kingston PD?

[NoRide]

Hello,

I'm hoping you guys can help me help others. I haven't had a scanner for MANY years so I'm not all that familiar with the techie chat. Here's what I'm hoping to get help with.

In the Ulster Co. area, you have the Town of Ulster Police and the Kingston Police. Until recently, I did not realize my father could not hear any communication from the two. Asked at work, turns out this is a problem with a couple others who use trunkable scanners. They all say for the past couple months, none of them have been able to find out what the new frequencies (?) or whatever is wrong. Is this do to rebanding (whatever that is)?

I've searched and Googled. Found some info but so far, nothing has solved this problem. Soo, is it still possible to pickup comminications from these two agencies with trunkable analog police scanners? If so, what do I need or what are they doing wrong?

Thanks in advance.

 

[pro92b]

A few frequencies changed due to rebanding but talkgroups are the same. The correct information is at www.nf2g.com. The database here is not accurate for NYCOMCO systems.

You will need to know how to program the frequencies in the correct order for the radio to track. The details for proper programming are somewhat dependant on the model scanner you are using.

 

[Spec]

Kpd / Upd

When you get to the nf2g website click on "scannist" page then "frequencies" then "statewide" and go to the NYCOMCO listing. Look for "Esopus or Snake Mtn Twr site " 005" Assuming you know how to program the radio, the frequencies are the current ones and I have monitored them in use. Good scanning.

Spec

 

[APX8000]

Just another pointer...the NF2G site also has their talkgroups. If you scroll down into the 06-XXX portions of the talkgroups, you'll see them listed.

 

[kevin390]

I have been told that Kingston police has lap-top's , nextel and do allot of communcations this way . I was up that way a bit ago and heard allot of fire and no police. As for the Town of Ulster I heard a few things but not to much.........Ray.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Told by whom? Public safety people, especially police, tend to be a bit squirrely about giving out accurate information. They might not actually know about their radio system, or they might feel bound to lie about it.

 

[kevin390]

My brother-in-law works for the Kingston Highway Department. He told me and like I said the last time I was up-there I didn't hear a thing on the scanner but Kingston Fire. He listens allot and said he hears very little. I only go up there every few months and spend a few hours while I am their. I am just out of the Kingston Towers range were I live. To many pine trees around my place. Thats trunking for you. I can't get Kingston about fifteen mile from me, but I can get the Mt. Hope Tower with a stock antenna which is about 25-30 mile from here.......Ray

 

[SCANdal]

Scroll down to the 700 & 800 block for Ulster County public safety

Gentlemen,

The direct link to the excellent resource recommended above is:

www.nf2g.com/scannist/NYCOMCO_EDACS.html

Well worth printing out.

SCANdal

PS to '390:
Don't feel bad...that police department isn't the only one to virtually vanish from the air once the got those MDTs in their cars.

 

[pro92b]

I monitor the Kingston site daily and have not noticed any change in the amount of traffic from either Kingston PD or Town of Ulster. There has been no mention of MDT's on the air and I have not heard any on the system. Generally if MDT's are in use, the dispatcher sometimes notifies an oficer that an MDT message is coming. Also there is the usual traffic with MDT log on problems etc. but I have not heard any of this.

 

[Spec]

Not having the new frequencies and the new LCN's will cause one not to hear many of the transmissions. Many departments are using lap tops in their vehicles on the NYCOMCO system to obtain data from DMV and as report writing and records keeping. It does not mean a CAD system is or is not in operation in Kingston. The FD is very active on the 800 system and use it often for maint. and admin stuff. The City of Poughkeepsie as well as the Town of Poughkeepsie are using the CAD on a regular basis and the radio (voice) traffic is still up there. The NYSP are using their MDB's more now and their radio traffic (voice) has decreased a small amount in Zone 3 Troop F. In Troop K Zone 2 the voice traffic has decreased on Troop and stayed pretty much the same on car to car. NYSP units often IM each other. MTA PD unit's (District 7) are using the MCT's more now as well as the NEXTEL ( more than VHF system). Often when a person not in the PD sees a laptop they jump to the conclusion that it is a CAD system. As a further note some departments have made it standard operations to also transmit the calls via voice to make sure the responding units not only get the dispatch but for near by back ups to also have the info.

Spec

 

[captncarp]

Ulster & Kingston PD

Down here in Orange County, NY the Town of Newburgh Police are doing exactly that.......Laptops and Nextels....the dispatchers are constantly coming up on the radio (NYCOMCO Trunked) and telling the officers to call by phone (NEXTEL). Of course when something happens to one car all the others are asking the dispatcher for location of officer needing assistance and who's responding...on the radio. They still give most of the initial dispatch by radio...but try to go Nextel for the rest......a disaster waiting to happen.....one hand doesn't know what the other is doing out in the field.
CaptnCarp

 

[APX8000]

capt...

I'll have to disagree with you. Base 3 dispatches the inital calls over their 800 channel and all data checks, record checks, call progress, etc. are still done by radio. The officers are NOT assigned NEXTEL's, Supervisors/Detectives are. And they don't clear calls over Nextel. Nextel is not recorded at the console and can create a severe liability issue. Officers WILL use their personal Nextels to contact dispatchers or other officers who have personal Nextels as well as other mobile carriers.

They do not have CAD in the vehicles. They recently switched from ALECS to IMPACT but did not get the mobile version. Some units, mostly their hghway units, have MDT's for data checks, but that's about it. Most of the surrounding towns are the same.

And as far as using Nextels and not knowing what another is doing, GROUP Connect solve's that problem!

 

[Spec]

Clarification

NYS MTA PD - NEXTELS have both direct connect and group call activated. As I said before it is used VERY often. MCT (yes MCT) refers to Mobil Computer Terminal including Internet however that feature is tightly controlled.

Spec

 

[NoRide]

Guys. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction as I was able to help 4 people with the problem addressed at the beginning of this thread. Thank you!