Unauthorized users on GMRS repeaters

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

This is from:
MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER ON RECONSIDERATION

Adopted: June 10, 1999
Released: June 28, 1999

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69. We are concerned, however, that the GMRS community has the mistaken impression that repeater operators must allow unlimited use of their facilities by third parties. Accordingly, we will include in our rules a statement that limiting the use of a repeater to certain user stations is permissible. Repeater owners, as part of management of their GMRS systems, are free to decide what means of control, if any, are necessary.

https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Wireless/Orders/1999/fcc99139.txt

Thanks!

 

[K4DPA]

You guys. Lol It's just radios.


-Dawson Adams
GMRS: WQPN413
Warning: I have a strong tendency to be bluntly honest.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

Self entitled people like you are the reason I gave up on GMRS. The rules are plain English but you believe they don't apply to you. Good luck out there...You're going to need it.

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Unfortunately in the end they will ruin it for everyone.

I am starting to think that they need to teach common sense in school. However I have seen the school board in action and they lack the skills. So maybe Mommy needs to slap them upside the head....

 

[ka8zay]

Has this happened to you recently?

I haven't been shot recently but it doesn't make it anymore right to shoot at me.....whether or not something has happened to me recently doesn't make any difference.


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[RFI-EMI-GUY]

I haven't been shot recently but it doesn't make it anymore right to shoot at me.....whether or not something has happened to me recently doesn't make any difference.


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Just curious because if someone is interfering with your LEGAL GMRS operations by running a repeater transmitter 24/7/365 as you imply, you can always call the local FCC office and request they contact the owner of the other repeater. Or if you prefer, you could talk to the other licensee and deal with it man to man.

 

[KK4JUG]

It looks like it's been settled with the FCC information. Be that as it may, there are those who will say (1) It's wrong; (2) It's right; (3) Who cares?; (4) That applies to everyone else but me because I'm always right; or (5) It's my radio and I'll do what I want with it.

In any case, this crap will go on until someone shuts the thread down.

 

[kayn1n32008]

You guys. Lol It's just radios.


-Dawson Adams
GMRS: WQPN413
Warning: I have a strong tendency to be bluntly honest.

Yup it is.

But when folks like you spout off with down right bad info, those of us that do follow the rules tend to not like it.

 

[K4DPA]

Yup it is.



But when folks like you spout off with down right bad info, those of us that do follow the rules tend to not like it.

No sir, I don't spout off false information. I just know how to read and understand English. You can always lobby the FCC to change the wording or add wording in Part 95 that would allow what you guys want to be actually compliant with regulations. Instead we have people like you all that have been making up rules and bullying others with them for the past 20 years. When someone like me comes in and says enough is enough, all hell breaks loose. I'm not entitled to anything, especially not the air waves. That's why we are supposed to share it.


-Dawson Adams
GMRS: WQPN413
Warning: I have a strong tendency to be bluntly honest.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

Let this awful thread be a prime example why rule 95.103 exists. Thank you FCC!

§95.103 Licensee duties.

(b) The licensee may limit the use of repeater to only certain user stations.

 

[kayn1n32008]

No sir, I don't spout off false information. I just know how to read and understand English. You can always lobby the FCC to change the wording or add wording in Part 95 that would allow what you guys want to be actually compliant with regulations. Instead we have people like you all that have been making up rules and bullying others with them for the past 20 years. When someone like me comes in and says enough is enough, all hell breaks loose. I'm not entitled to anything, especially not the air waves. That's why we are supposed to share it.


-Dawson Adams
GMRS: WQPN413
Warning: I have a strong tendency to be bluntly honest.

Read the post below:

Let this awful thread be a prime example why rule 95.103 exists. Thank you FCC!

§95.103 Licensee duties.

(b) The licensee may limit the use of repeater to only certain user stations.

pretty plain English if you ask me

 

[K4DPA]

Straight from e-CFR. If you look at what's on the government website it's totally different than what he posted in here. Haha He edited that part of the regulation and then pasted it on here. Come on? Really? It clears sates this...

" [63 FR 68975, Dec. 14, 1998]

Editorial Note: At 64 FR 53242, Oct. 1, 1999, §95.103 was amended by revising paragraphs (a) and (b), effective Nov. 30, 1999. However, §95.103, as revised at 63 FR 68975, Dec. 14, 1998, effective Feb. 12, 1999, dids not contain paragraphs (a) and (b), and the amendment could not be incorporated."


-Dawson Adams
GMRS: WQPN413
Warning: I have a strong tendency to be bluntly honest.

 

[AA4TX]

You forgot to add the next paragraph:

For the convenience of the user, the revised text is set forth as follows:
§95.103Licensee duties.
(a) The licensee is responsible for the proper operation of the GMRS system at all times. The licensee is also responsible for the appointment of a station operator.
(b) The licensee may limit the use of repeater to only certain user stations.

Full Text:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2015-title47-vol5/pdf/CFR-2015-title47-vol5-part95.pdf

And the Federal Register 99-25235 that enacted the new clause into law:
Full Text:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-1999-10-01/pdf/99-25235.pdf#page=8

 

[K4DPA]

You forgot to add the next paragraph:



For the convenience of the user, the revised text is set forth as follows:

§95.103Licensee duties.

(a) The licensee is responsible for the proper operation of the GMRS system at all times. The licensee is also responsible for the appointment of a station operator.

(b) The licensee may limit the use of repeater to only certain user stations.



Full Text:

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2015-title47-vol5/pdf/CFR-2015-title47-vol5-part95.pdf



And the Federal Register 99-25235 that enacted the new clause into law:

Full Text:

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-1999-10-01/pdf/99-25235.pdf#page=8

That doesn't show up on the e-CFR link on the FCC website. Sorry but there is contradicting info here. Looks like the revisions could not be implemented and what you are showing me is old out dated documents. What I post on here says in red letters " e-CFR data is current as of April 6, 2017". That other paragraph is no where to be found on there.


-Dawson Adams
GMRS: WQPN413
Warning: I have a strong tendency to be bluntly honest.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

All you have managed to show is a notation about a scriveners error. The rule stands.

Doesn't matter because:

1) 95.33 (4) (attached)

2) Nobody can use my station without prior request and my written approval. Crybabies need not apply.

 

[AA4TX]

Web site issues notwithstanding, the full text of the published 2015 Part 95 Rules (as well as every issue of the rules since 1999) contains the paragraph, and the Federal Register/Vol. 64, No. 190/Friday, October 1, 1999/Rules and Regulations (cited above), placed it into effect on November 30, 1999.

I am not aware of any case that has successfully claimed an affirmative defense based on a web site displaying partial information, even if it was a government website. But if one can reference such a case, I would stand corrected.

 

[K4DPA]

All you have managed to show is a notation about a scriveners error. The rule stands.



Doesn't matter because:



1) 95.33 (4) (attached)



2) Nobody can use my station without prior request and my written approval. Crybabies need not apply.

No cry babies here. It's just a radio. Regardless of what documentation is right or wrong it's useless. You can't keep people off your repeater that's using GMRS frequencies. It's not fair and it's wrong. It's not about your repeater, it's about the frequencies that you voluntarily programed in it that happen to be public. You can't run me off frequencies that I have a right to be on just as much as you. I wish you guys could understand that and the mentality disabled at the FCC who pulled these regulations out of their rear end.
Anyone with a license is welcomed to use my repeaters, even you guys after the condescending post you all have made towards those of us who simply want a fair radio spectrum. You're supposed to share the band and be helpful to others. Unfortunately we are starting to see more and more people like you guys that are extremely over controlling. That turns people away from the hobby.


-Dawson Adams
GMRS: WQPN413
Warning: I have a strong tendency to be bluntly honest.

 

[KC4RAF]

In black and white, written rule by the FCC. And somebody that post, "Regardless of what documentation is right or wrong it's useless. You can't keep people off your repeater that's using GMRS frequencies.", needs to reevaluate their mind thought. Even a simpleton such as me understands the rule. A person owning a repeater has the right to allow or not allow another GMRS radio operator the use of his repeater!
This individual, post #56 is a troll by any other name...

 

[N4GIX]

Anyone with a license is welcomed to use my repeaters, even you guys after the condescending post you all have made towards those of us who simply want a fair radio spectrum.

My repeaters are open and available for any licensed GMRS operator to use, provided that they adhere to good conduct and do not cause any problems. I'll even set up a custom PL/DCS tone for them if they ask for it!

I do however reserve the right to remove access for those who simply cannot behave properly and become a nuisance. I cannot deny them use of the repeater's output frequency of course, but they'll have to stick with straight simplex operations.

 

[Sconnick]

My repeaters are open and available for any licensed GMRS operator to use, provided that they adhere to good conduct and do not cause any problems. I'll even set up a custom PL/DCS tone for them if they ask for it!

I do however reserve the right to remove access for those who simply cannot behave properly and become a nuisance. I cannot deny them use of the repeater's output frequency of course, but they'll have to stick with straight simplex operations.

Holy crap! A logical take on the matter! Well played!

 

[K4DPA]

In black and white, written rule by the FCC. And somebody that post, "Regardless of what documentation is right or wrong it's useless. You can't keep people off your repeater that's using GMRS frequencies.", needs to reevaluate their mind thought. Even a simpleton such as me understands the rule. A person owning a repeater has the right to allow or not allow another GMRS radio operator the use of his repeater!

This individual, post #56 is a troll by any other name...

I'm a troll because I have a different opinion on what's right and wrong? Wow. Ok. We have two different documents with contradicting information. If I happen to be wrong on the true FCC regulation I will be happy to admit I was wrong. But I will not change my mind on the moral aspect of claiming a public frequency as your own just because your repeater is using it. You don't own the frequency, how many times does it need to be said for you all to understand that? If you don't want your repeater to be used then why in the devil would you put it on a public radio service? My God. I've never seen such arrogant people in my life like there are on RR.


-Dawson Adams
GMRS: WQPN413
Warning: I have a strong tendency to be bluntly honest.