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N4GIX said:
My repeaters are open and available for any licensed GMRS operator to use, provided that they adhere to good conduct and do not cause any problems. I'll even set up a custom PL/DCS tone for them if they ask for it!

I do however reserve the right to remove access for those who simply cannot behave properly and become a nuisance. I cannot deny them use of the repeater's output frequency of course, but they'll have to stick with straight simplex operations.
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If people are breaking FCC regulations you can order them off the frequency no matter who they are, that's a no brainer. But they still have access the input frequency if they adhere to the FCC regulations like I said.


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This has been interesting

This is definitely an interesting discussion...
I see both sides, yea if I put up a repeater I do not have a right to interfere with your transmissions. However, if I set specific codes I obviously don't want just anybody running through it. Now I don't know about many other repeater owners so I can not talk on their behalf, but I am in the process of putting one up. The funds are not there yet, so what am I doing till then? I am running a mobile radio in my truck on the same frequency pair that I am looking to use for my repeater. Also, I am running a scanner with all other frequencies and frequency pairs, just in case. I am doing this in the area that I am hoping to be able to cover with the repeater and then some to make sure I won't be interfering with others already using that frequency when I do get it setup. As mmckenna said "don't be a jerk" that is what it is all about. So after doing all of that of course I would like someone to ask permission to use my repeater... notice I said "my repeater" not "my frequency." That's just the right thing to do. Plus whoever put the repeater up is not stopping you from using that frequency at all. You can still use the frequency, there will probably be interference for both parties though. They are just stopping you from running through their repeater (which from what I have read, if it is used to much could be a potential problem for some repeaters).

So this brings up a question... Is there that much GMRS activity in the area that you are talking about that you can't switch to another frequency? I know in my area besides the few kids on bubble packs every now and again there is nothing in my area at all.
 
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ChitheadDeSo said:
This is definitely an interesting discussion...

I see both sides, yea if I put up a repeater I do not have a right to interfere with your transmissions. However, if I set specific codes I obviously don't want just anybody running through it. Now I don't know about many other repeater owners so I can not talk on their behalf, but I am in the process of putting one up. The funds are not there yet, so what am I doing till then? I am running a mobile radio in my truck on the same frequency pair that I am looking to use for my repeater. Also, I am running a scanner with all other frequencies and frequency pairs, just in case. I am doing this in the area that I am hoping to be able to cover with the repeater and then some to make sure I won't be interfering with others already using that frequency when I do get it setup. As mmckenna said "don't be a jerk" that is what it is all about. So after doing all of that of course I would like someone to ask permission to use my repeater... notice I said "my repeater" not "my frequency." That's just the right thing to do. Plus whoever put the repeater up is not stopping you from using that frequency at all. You can still use the frequency, there will probably be interference for both parties though. They are just stopping you from running through their repeater (which from what I have read, if it is used to much could be a potential problem for some repeaters).



So this brings up a question... Is there that much GMRS activity in the area that you are talking about that you can't switch to another frequency? I know in my area besides the few kids on bubble packs every now and again there is nothing in my area at all.
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For me there is not that much GMRS traffic for it to be a problem. It's just the principle of it and the fact that people like them think they own the frequency just because they have a repeater. Thank you for setting out not to be like them. We need more repeater owners like that. I always ask for permission before I get on someone's repeater because like you said it's morally right. However, when a repeater owner starts acting like they can control everything you're allowed to do then that's when it becomes a problem and I'll use the frequencies with the same codes if I please. It's all about attitude and understanding that a repeater doesn't make you God.


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dawsonpadams said:
No cry babies here. It's just a radio... You can't keep people off your repeater that's using GMRS frequencies.
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Actually the FCC says you can. Regardless of what frequencies you program the FCC has made it clear that you can decide who uses your repeater.

dawsonpadams said:
It's not fair and it's wrong...
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Then make a request to the FCC to change the rules to allow ANY licensed GMRS user to use any GMRS repeater, with out the owners prior permission.

dawsonpadams said:
It's not about your repeater...
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Yes it is. The repeater, regardless of what is programmed in it, if owned by an individual or club/group, it is private property. This idea has been repeatedly held up by the FCC.

dawsonpadams said:
it's about the frequencies that you voluntarily programed in it that happen to be public.
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It has nothing to do with the frequencies that are programmed in it. The ham band is the same. Ham repeaters are the same way. An owner is allowed to determine who can and can not use their repeaters. You act like there is only one repeater pair. If there is an existing repeater, and you use it with out permission, you are violating the law. If you insist on using the frequency, and do not care who else is using it, you are now causing interference, and violating the law.

dawsonpadams said:
You can't run me off frequencies that I have a right to be on just as much as you.
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But if they are already in use, you are now causing interference, and violating the law.

dawsonpadams said:
I wish you guys could understand that and the mentality disabled at the FCC who pulled these regulations out of their rear end.
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Then make an application to have that rule removed fromPart 95.

dawsonpadams said:
Anyone with a license is welcomed to use my repeaters, even you guys after the condescending post you all have made towards those of us who simply want a fair radio spectrum.
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Good for you. Remember, there are more than one repeater pair. Should you decide to set up on the same pair as an existing user, you are now violating the law, you know:

dawsonpadams said:
You're supposed to share the band
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Share the band, and be helpful by not setting up on the same pair as an existing users repeater.

dawsonpadams said:
Unfortunately we are starting to see more and more people like you guys that are extremely over controlling.
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What people who determine who can and can't use their private property.

dawsonpadams said:
That turns people away from the hobby.


-Dawson Adams
GMRS: WQPN413
Warning: I have a strong tendency to be bluntly honest.
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No people like you who think they can do what they want and think that it's ok to use people property with out asking are what ruin the hobby.




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dawsonpadams said:
...and I'll use the frequencies with the same codes if I please. It's all about attitude and understanding that a repeater doesn't make you God.


-Dawson Adams
GMRS: WQPN413
Warning: I have a strong tendency to be bluntly honest.
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By doing so, and using someone else's repeater with out permission, you are now causing harmful interference, and violating the rules.






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kayn1n32008 said:
Actually the FCC says you can. Regardless of what frequencies you program the FCC has made it clear that you can decide who uses your repeater.



Then make a request to the FCC to change the rules to allow ANY licensed GMRS user to use any GMRS repeater, with out the owners prior permission.



Yes it is. The repeater, regardless of what is programmed in it, if owned by an individual or club/group, it is private property. This idea has been repeatedly held up by the FCC.



It has nothing to do with the frequencies that are programmed in it. The ham band is the same. Ham repeaters are the same way. An owner is allowed to determine who can and can not use their repeaters. You act like there is only one repeater pair. If there is an existing repeater, and you use it with out permission, you are violating the law. If you insist on using the frequency, and do not care who else is using it, you are now causing interference, and violating the law.



But if they are already in use, you are now causing interference, and violating the law.



Then make an application to have that rule removed fromPart 95.



Good for you. Remember, there are more than one repeater pair. Should you decide to set up on the same pair as an existing user, you are now violating the law, you know:



Share the band, and be helpful by not setting up on the same pair as an existing users repeater.



What people who determine who can and can't use their private property.




No people like you who think they can do what they want and think that it's ok to use people property with out asking are what ruin the hobby.




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No, you're wrong. You think you know it all and clearly you don't know half of what you're talking about. We don't know yet what documentation is correct because they are saying different wording. I am waiting on an response from a agent I emailed questioning them about this. It's people like YOU that run people away not me. I have plenty of people that agree with me that it's rude repeater owners like you that hurt the hobby with your nasty attitude.


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kayn1n32008 said:
By doing so, and using someone else's repeater with out permission, you are now causing harmful interference, and violating the rules.






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Nope. Man you people are something special.


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LoL. There is only one special one in this thread...
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Quit wasting your electrons on someone who doesn't know the difference between a frequency and a radio. He simply isn't worth the aggravation. He already knows everything he needs to know and no amount of documentation will change that.




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