UniTrunker first public beta

[SCPD]

Also I would like to build 1 file and have Unitrunker open it for all of the NSRS sites around here. For example, Sunrise mountain gets the majority of traffic in Las Vegas, so it has 15 channels and has logged the most TG/RID info. I would like to use all this information when I monitor Sloan (a site that covers the southern end of the valley) or Mt Potosi (a rural coverage area) without having to manually type all this in for each site. I think this is possible If I save the info with the correct system ID in the name.

Talkgroups and radio ids (subscribers) are stored per-system (not per-site). Any site belonging to that system will reference the same set of talkgroups and radio ids.

If you are monitoring two sites - with the same system id - you should be able to do this already. If you want to "borrow" the existing talkgroups from system X for display while monitoring system "Y" - you can do that by setting the "delegate" field for system "Y" to the sysid of system "X".

Warning: this is a relatively new feature with a known bug that can cause the data for system "X" in the example above to be lost. I'd suggest waiting for this to be fixed before actually using this feature. Chances are the sites belong to the same system and you don't need to do anything special.

Worst case is you copy the GID and RID files from one system to another. That will at least allow seeing the tags on the other system (but makes keeping both systems in-sync a pain).

Adding a site name does nothing more that display the name while the site is being monitored.

-rick

 

[BJ_NORTON]

fmon thanks that did the trick!!

any suggestions on my other question? opening system files and making changes makes me a little queasy if I don't have a good set of instructions

Also I would like to build 1 file and have unitrunker open it for all of the NSRS sites around here. For example, Sunrise mountain gets the majority of traffic in Las Vegas, so it has 15 channels and has logged the most TG/RID info. I would like to use all this information when I monitor Sloan (a site that covers the southern end of the valley) or Mt Potosi (a rural coverage area) without having to manually type all this in for each site. I think this is possible If I save the info with the correct system ID in the name.

 

[SCPD]

Can you use the slicer with say trunker and use the buffer on the slicer with uni trunker at the same time?

Yes.

You say "4 level fsk slicer." I believe I read a post by you once that said that the idea off saying 4 level fsk is not correct. Because in fact it is just 4 level and fsk is 4 level?

FSK (or PSK or ... ) can be 2 level, 4 level or an arbitrary number of levels - as long as the signal is clean enough to distinguish between the different levels. I don't remember what the actual deviation or phase shift is for a typical 4 level FSK signal but it is usually centered around zero with two positive levels and two negative levels. A hypothetical example might be +30, +60, -30, and -60 degrees.

-rick

 

[SCPD]

Re: CRASH REPORT

I don't know if this has happened to anyone else, but I crash unitrunker everytime I insert a site name
nsert...ste... then type anything into the label field and then crash.

Thanks. I'll check this out.

Any suggestions on my other question? opening system files and making changes makes me a little queasy if I don't have a good set of instructions.

Yes. I just did ... scroll up to see my reply.

-rick

 

[loumaag]

Re: CRASH REPORT

I don't know if this has happened to anyone else, but I crash unitrunker everytime I insert a site name
nsert...ste... then type anything into the label field and then crash.

Thanks. I'll check this out.

Umm, isn't that an EDACS system you are working on? If so, isn't each site really a system by itself? I mean, although EDACS can be networked, there is no overall System ID for UniTrunker to work with, so how can you have sites if there is no system?

 

[SCPD]

Re: CRASH REPORT

Umm, isn't that an EDACS system you are working on? If so, isn't each site really a system by itself? I mean, although EDACS can be networked, there is no overall System ID for UniTrunker to work with, so how can you have sites if there is no system?

Yeah ... for EDACS .. each site is an island all it's own. Even worse - in some areas you can have three or four EDACS systems in the same band with the same ID. Try scanning for EDACS systems on 800 mhz in Dallas - you'll quickly see what I mean.

I guess BJ will have to wait for the Delegate feature related bug to be fixed.

-rick

 

[BJ_NORTON]

Thanks for the reply. I guess you two type a little faster than I do. I think for now I will just copy the files, and keep the files from the largest site up to date.

As for the Delegate feature, no worries. I didn't imagine that sucha feature would even be possible. I was hoping for more of a step by step instructions, but as I was looking at the site name file stuff, I may have been able to figure it out on my own. If I just use the save as feature and use the name of one of the smaller sites it should work ok. Its just a lot of fun for me to watch things pop up and see who is actually talking. Most of the TG's in this system are known, but with 2/3 of the state still using a VHF conventional system there are bound to be several new ones pop up, and this alows me to know when they appear and at least what the number is until I can ID who is using it.

While I have a knowledgable person on the line though I do have one question. The largest site I am watching has 15 freqs, but I now have LCNs 28, 29, 30, and 31. I never see any traffic on them, and their doesn't seem to be a logical reaason for them. Is this an artifact of poor reception (I typically have 97%-99% copy) or does this have something to do with the linking of different sites. It is not uncommon to hear the same traffic on 4 different sites. I have asked people who might be "in the know" and they couldn't figure out why either.

thanks for the help, and they great work you do!!!

BJ

 

[poltergeisty]

Thanks for your response on my questions there. I will have to look up some information on the net and see what the deviations are, I'm curious. wunclub.com might have this information.

When you utilize the buffer at the same time as the slicer is used, wont this confuse the two programs you may have running? One program using the sound card input and the other with a com port. I have some other questions relating to this posted in the data slicer topic. Boo!-Poltergeisty :-0

 

[BJ_NORTON]

Another thing I just noticed, and it is merely cosmetic. I thought Unitrunker stood for universal trunker; but when I was opening up unitrunker via the start menu it shows a shortcut to uniform. When the program opens it displays universal trunker on the header. Something to ponder...

has anyone else noticed this?

 

[loumaag]

...While I have a knowledgable person on the line though I do have one question. The largest site I am watching has 15 freqs, but I now have LCNs 28, 29, 30, and 31. I never see any traffic on them, and their doesn't seem to be a logical reaason for them. Is this an artifact of poor reception (I typically have 97%-99% copy) or does this have something to do with the linking of different sites. It is not uncommon to hear the same traffic on 4 different sites. I have asked people who might be "in the know" and they couldn't figure out why either.

LCN's 26 - 31 are actually status signals.

26 = Downlink
27 = Reserved
28 = Convert
29 = Queued
30 = System Busy
31 = Access denied

Take a look on the wiki for further information:
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/wiki/index.php?title=EDACS

[Or were you asking Rick? :lol: ]

 

[BJ_NORTON]

you both seem knowledgable to me :wink: I had read through the wiki, but I did skim the more technical stuff. Thanks for the info. My "inside" guy is a scanner nut who has close personal ties to several of the radio techs, but he has never used a software decoder, so he never thought to ask about it.

thanks Lou :!:

 

[loumaag]

Another thing I just noticed, and it is merely cosmetic. I thought Unitrunker stood for universal trunker; but when I was opening up unitrunker via the start menu it shows a shortcut to uniform. When the program opens it displays universal trunker on the header. Something to ponder...

has anyone else noticed this?

I am pretty sure that uniform.exe is just the name Rick picked to fit a 8x3 naming convention. It is Universal Trunker or UniTrunker. Just edit your shortcut to read what ever you like.

 

[SCPD]

I am pretty sure that uniform.exe is just the name Rick picked to fit a 8x3 naming convention. It is Universal Trunker or UniTrunker. Just edit your shortcut to read what ever you like.

Here's some extremely obscure trivia ... the program is "Universal Trunker". It makes use of the new "Uniform" decoding framework - which will eventually be incorporated into T4Win.

-rick

 

[Dewey]

Hi Rick...

Just a very long overdue

Thank You!!!

Dewey

 

[CrewRest]

I'm having trouble. I tried running Uniform using my Pro-96 headphone out put connected to the Mic in on my laptop. Uniform configured for Sound Card and tried both Inverted and Normal. It was online. No Signal!!

Tried using my optocom through the serial port (Pin6 - DSR). No signal and the logicscope didn't show anything. I did follow the direction about putting the LogicAnalyzer Driver in the System32 folder. It said it was already configured when I tried to run the SC command and the Net command.

Help??

Doug Anderson

 

[SCPD]

I'm having trouble. I tried running Uniform using my Pro-96 headphone out put connected to the Mic in on my laptop.

Hi Doug,

With the possible exception of MPT1327, you will need to add a discriminator tap to your radio. If the Opto-com already has one, I suggest connecting it to the microphone input.

-rick

 

[DaveNF2G]

Any plans for MultiNet support in a future version? Like Moto, MPT, and EDACS, MultiNet uses a dedicated control channel, and the protocol is known and has been incorporated into a version of Trunker.

With all 4 protocols and the promised single-scanner tracking feature, a tapped BC-296/796 or later scanner would be the ultimate analog and digital trunk tracker!

 

[SCPD]

Any plans for MultiNet support in a future version? Like Moto, MPT, and EDACS, MultiNet uses a dedicated control channel, and the protocol is known and has been incorporated into a version of Trunker.

I would very much like to do this. The three main protocols (EDACS, Motorola and P25) have kept me busy - which is why the MPT1327 decoder has been neglected. I also need to fire up my soldering iron and build a low-pass filter for LTR/Passport/Multinet.

-rick

 

[CrewRest]

Thanks Rick,

When I get home I've got one on my Pro-2005

Thanks,

Doug

I'm having trouble. I tried running Uniform using my Pro-96 headphone out put connected to the Mic in on my laptop.

Hi Doug,

With the possible exception of MPT1327, you will need to add a discriminator tap to your radio. If the Opto-com already has one, I suggest connecting it to the microphone input.

-rick

 

[N6NBD]

Unitrunker Up and Running

Hi Rick

Just wanted to let you know. I was able to get Unitrunker working just fine with my Uniden BC796D running at 57400 Baud. The radio has a discriminator tap feeding the sound card. I'm on a Dell Dimension 8400 Pentium 4 with a 3.3Gig prossesor (did I spell that right?). Using Windows XP Pro with SP2. I get a 97% to 100% decode rate.

Now I have to figure out is what all the data means and how best too use it.

Thanks Rick for your efforts in developing Unitrunker.

P.S. Didn't get T4Win to work, but thats probably just because I haven't read enough about it yet.