Unknown UHF - ENC 451.80000

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cool deal. thanks for keeping us updated. for portions of this weekend i plan to be camped out at my fave high elevation, no obstruction scanning area and plan to bring some gear along. having gone thru this thread a few times, i still fear i have missed some, so with regard to the Biz $167 that have been received, the current list stands at:

154.5275
158.4
451.8
451.8125
456.8
469.55

is that correct?
 

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I spent part of the holiday weekend down at Badin Lake. I didnt get to monitor as much as I would have liked, but there was a 2 hour period on Sunday afternoon where there was quite a bit of traffic on 43.00 and 154.5275. I have both programmed into my 396XT along with the rest of the mystery frequencies.

43.00 was all encrypted except for a few analog transmissions with a 151.4 tone. What I could make out (and it was scratchy and weak) was "Charlie 1 to the TOC, in the clear, over". There was an encrypted response followed by whoever it was saying they had lost fill in 2 radios and asking if any other assets on the op had something, sounded like he said canteen. I may not have it right because I am not set up for low band with that portable and I was barely pulling it in.

154.5275 $167 was active over the whole time 43.00 was active, but all encrypted. I only got one ID (9002131) which I thought was odd. It abruptly stopped and I heard nothing the rest of the trip.

@spacellamaman did you have any luck wherever you were?
 
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I spent part of the holiday weekend down at Badin Lake. I didnt get to monitor as much as I would have liked, but there was a 2 hour period on Sunday afternoon where there was quite a bit of traffic on 43.00 and 154.5275. I have both programmed into my 396XT along with the rest of the mystery frequencies.

43.00 was all encrypted except for a few analog transmissions with a 151.4 tone. What I could make out (and it was scratchy and weak) was "Charlie 1 to the TOC, in the clear, over". There was an encrypted response followed by whoever it was saying they had lost fill in 2 radios and asking if any other assets on the op had something, sounded like he said canteen. I may not have it right because I am not set up for low band with that portable and I was barely pulling it in.

154.5275 $167 was active over the whole time 43.00 was active, but all encrypted. I only got one ID (9002131) which I thought was odd. It abruptly stopped and I heard nothing the rest of the trip.

@spacellamaman did you have any luck wherever you were?


awww man, prior to reading your post i thought i had had good luck, i really dunno now.

that is really some good stuff to have caught, by content and location adding further narrowing-down data.

So based on when both freqs were rx'd, once again their seems to be some association between them? am i right remembering you having previously noted, specifically those two, being active at the same times on more than one occasion so far, correct?

did they say "T-O-C" one letter at a time or as a spoken word, sounding
like "tock" as in tic-tock? just curious. either way it certainly makes me
question my receiving set-ups at home, as Badin Lake is getting fairly
close now.

My July 4th weekend project was, no surprise, overly ambitious, and
scanning was only done late at night of the 3rd and 4th, with hiking(more
like forced marching) in between, the amount of scanning activities was far
less than i had hoped and certainly not done at productive times. by late
afternoon on the 5th i was completely spent and dead asleep.

due to the late hours, where radio traffic was unlikely, or so i thought,
on the mystery freqs, i ended up chasing a different ghost :


what kind of receiving set up were you using, aside from the 396?
vehicle mounted antenna etc or handheld with what-kind of antenna? on the west side of Badin lake i presume? i
am trying to figure out if there is something i need to change in my set-
ups. or maybe i need to just go down to Badin Lake. Thanks for the
update, that is really cool.
 

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@spacellamaman was definately "Tock".

I only had a 396XT with the rubber duck antenna with me, nothing special and I was multitasking. I was not there to play radio but I always have one on me.
 

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@spacellamaman was definately "Tock".

I only had a 396XT with the rubber duck antenna with me, nothing special and I was multitasking. I was not there to play radio but I always have one on me.

much appreciated. i had hoped to fiddle around some with the scanner while i was waiting to start my primary project, but the amount of exertion that that entailed was so far beyond what i thought i could handle, my multi-tasking was to put the 436 in discovery mode, while i laid flat on my back, praying i wouldn't throw up what little water remained in my dehydrated body. fun time had by all.
 

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Today I have seen these ID's: 1, 9003032, 9041031, 3091243, 3094026, 3091118, 3091120, 3454426, 1016006, 1015287, 1021115, 650965, 1010299, 9023031, 3091777, 11125, 3927, 3091280, and 1109816. Seems like a hodgepodge.

309xxxx NAC 167 on the fed band has been linked to Charlotte NC FBI, 101xxxx and 102xxxx linked to MD USSS
 

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hmmmm....well now that i am looking more closely at the 451.8 RIDs it occurs to me two RIDs presumably USSS from the other day, are close to a a couple of the 451.8 oddballs.



USSS Ch Baker
165.7875, NAC 001, TG 65535 RID 1111111 (is pretty close to 1109816 via 451.8 et al.)

165.3750, NAC 001, TG4095 RID 11321 (is pretty close to 11125 via 451.8 et al.)
 

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points for originality.

ya know years ago when i worked at papa johns, a customer ordered a pizza with sardines, which i presumed was a joke, told him it wasn't an option, manager overheard and told me i was incorrect. about once a week he would make an order, and we had a solitary can of sardines tucked away in the cooler that we would use just for him.

i thought only turtles ate sardines on pizza

but i digress
 

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USSS Ch Baker
165.7875, NAC 001, TG 65535 RID 1111111 (is pretty close to 1109816 via 451.8 et al.)


hmmm looking at Parris's P25 RID list i note:

1111111 U.S. Coast Guard

 

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You'll see RIDs like 1111111 or 9999999 in lots of places; USCG is notorious for that nationwide. I've seen it on private DMR systems, federal P25 systems and some public safety systems.

I've watched someone hand-jam an FPP XTS5000 and key up with FBI RIDs, fully encrypted P25 with a NAC of 167, on 154.600 to mess with another hobbyist... I LOL'd.

Bottom line, don't put stock in "almost" or "close to". Drive over and verify.
 

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Just as funny as using the NAC of "FED" or "FB1" :)
You'll see RIDs like 1111111 or 9999999 in lots of places; USCG is notorious for that nationwide. I've seen it on private DMR systems, federal P25 systems and some public safety systems.

I've watched someone hand-jam an FPP XTS5000 and key up with FBI RIDs, fully encrypted P25 with a NAC of 167, on 154.600 to mess with another hobbyist... I LOL'd.

Bottom line, don't put stock in "almost" or "close to". Drive over and verify.
 

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You'll see RIDs like 1111111 or 9999999 in lots of places; USCG is notorious for that nationwide. I've seen it on private DMR systems, federal P25 systems and some public safety systems.

I've watched someone hand-jam an FPP XTS5000 and key up with FBI RIDs, fully encrypted P25 with a NAC of 167, on 154.600 to mess with another hobbyist... I LOL'd.

Bottom line, don't put stock in "almost" or "close to". Drive over and verify.
Just as funny as using the NAC of "FED" or "FB1" :)

Ha, alrighty, I hear ya'll. I basically latched onto that cause it was one of the few in the P25 list that was specific as opposed to 1111xxx or something similar.

1111111 is presumably a chance quirk of convienience/semi-default that some of the tech guys use and some don't, like seeing a TG of 4095 then i suppose?

i was considering reading up to determine the process of "hand-jam"ing, but its all rock-climbing, or terribly obscene.
 

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451.800 popped up again this week after everything has been relatively quiet (during my listening anyway). Signal seems weaker in Guilford County now, stronger over towards Winston-Salem. Again all enc. I have only seen two unit ID's, 900xxxx and 571xxxx.
 

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i was wondering if this might pop back up again just last night. apparently charlotte pd started encrypting some stuff again, possibly related to release of some stuff yesterday. then last night i noticed N407PD doing something for over an hour rather late at night:n407pd.JPG

but i am kinda outta the loop and don't know if anything was going on.

though not terribly relevant since your talking W-S G-boro area.

This has just really got me curious as all get out.
 
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