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I've been hearing some of our radio at work (Baltimore City) and some surrounding radios (also Motorola systems) emitting strange talk-permit tones. The tone itself is similar, but there are FOUR tones ("dit-dit-dit-dit") instead of the standard three. Is there any meaning to this? I also hear in on TV alot on shows like COPS and the like. Along the way at some point, someone told me that this was indicative that the radio was accessing the system through a vehicle repeater, but we don't have VRSs at work in Baltimore.
 

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I've been hearing some of our radio at work (Baltimore City) and some surrounding radios (also Motorola systems) emitting strange talk-permit tones. The tone itself is similar, but there are FOUR tones ("dit-dit-dit-dit") instead of the standard three. Is there any meaning to this? I also hear in on TV alot on shows like COPS and the like. Along the way at some point, someone told me that this was indicative that the radio was accessing the system through a vehicle repeater, but we don't have VRSs at work in Baltimore.
These aren't by chance XTS 1500/2500/5000 handhelds are they?
Seems to be the talk permit tone that those radios are using.

Can't vouch for the XTL mobiles don't have one close. (Still using a Spectra in my vehicle, other vehicles have XTL mobiles but not mine)


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These aren't by chance XTS 1500/2500/5000 handhelds are they?
Seems to be the talk permit tone that those radios are using.

Can't vouch for the XTL mobiles don't have one close. (Still using a Spectra in my vehicle, other vehicles have XTL mobiles but not mine)


Tony
We use a combination of XTS3000 and XTS5000 at work. The vast majority of them have the same standard talk permit tone of three beeps. On only a handful have I noticed the unusual four-beep tone. I have heard it on both the 3000 and the 5000
 
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We use a combination of XTS3000 and XTS5000 at work. The vast majority of them have the same standard talk permit tone of three beeps. On only a handful have I noticed the unusual four-beep tone. I have heard it on both the 3000 and the 5000
OK just found one of our 2500's
That one does 3 beeps for talk permit tone.

Difference between the 2500's and 5000's. . .
2500's that do 3 beeps are version 7 and 10 for host software on radio and DO NOT have encryption

5000's are version 12 for host software on radio and have ADP Encryption and do 4 beeps.

That's all I can tell you from my stuff here.

Tony
 

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Oh, I think I know what it is.

The radios are using either the secure tone or the clear tone, depending on whether the radios do this on a radio with encryption enabled or not.

The radio's talk permit tone is unchanged, 3 beeps. The radio adds a fourth beep indicating the radio is either in clear or secure mode on TX.
 

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Thats exactly what it is. The radios we use my department are encrypted on the PD Dispatch talkgroups but on the Interop Talkgroups they are clear. So when we talk on the disptach talkgroup we get three tones but when we are on the interop talkgroups we get four because of the clear alert tone. It has nothing to do with why type of radio (ie XTS5000, 3000, 2500......) just how they are configured.
 
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