Vacation soon to SW Michigan / Allegan/Ottawa/Kent

[Starcom21]

Will be visiting friends & family soon in Southwest Michigan, and then venturing around the surrounding areas for scanning oppurtunities. I will use this thread for some questions, etc.

If any one has any requests of things that need to be scanned, monitored, please let me know.


Question 1: Allegan County Public Safety
It says on the description:

With this new 800 megahertz technology the use of current VHF scanners will not be able to monitor the day-to-day communications between Allegan Central and the law enforcement agencies of Allegan County. The new radio system operates using digital encryption, meaning that scanner listeners will no longer be able to track daily activities for law enforcement or EMS

But on the talkgroups, they are listed as D which only means digital, not encrypted (would be "E" then)

2029 15-135 D Sheriff Disp Sheriff: Dispatch Law Dispatch
2045 15-155 D Sheriff C2C Sheriff: Car-to-Car Law Tac
2046 15-156 D Rural Law 1 Rural Law: Dispatch 1 Law Dispatch
2047 15-157 D Rural Law 2 Rural Law: Dispatch 2 Law Dispatch

So, are they digital or digital encrytption?

 

[SCPD]

Digital EDACS, isn't that ProVoice?

 

[Murstech]

Cant be encrypted as they are on Live Radio.

 

[drdispatch]

Allegan County uses an EDACS system, & there is also some MPSCS use. To my knowledge, it is standard digital, no encryption.

 

[DaveIN]

If any one has any requests of things that need to be scanned, monitored, please let me know.

I monitor these systems all the time and don't believe we are missing anything, but thanks. You'll find the Radioreference database is up to date with exception to the ProVoice system, that isn't really monitor-able anyway.

Question 1: Allegan County Public Safety
It says on the description:


But on the talkgroups, they are listed as D which only means digital, not encrypted (would be "E" then)

2029 15-135 D Sheriff Disp Sheriff: Dispatch Law Dispatch
2045 15-155 D Sheriff C2C Sheriff: Car-to-Car Law Tac
2046 15-156 D Rural Law 1 Rural Law: Dispatch 1 Law Dispatch
2047 15-157 D Rural Law 2 Rural Law: Dispatch 2 Law Dispatch

So, are they digital or digital encrytption?

The Allegan ProVoice system only has fire tone out patches that are analog, so to monitor the system use the MPSCS towers for the sheriff, DNR, DOT, etc.

3-007 Fennville [Allegan]866.48750 866.70000 866.96250 867.10000 867.81250 867.91250a 868.38750c
3-009 Wayland [Allegan] 866.28750 866.41250 866.91250 867.35000 867.41250 868.16250 868.27500a 868.91250c
Allegan County (03) Talkgroups

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
3073 c01 D 03DRUG Countywide Narcotics Enforcement Common Interop
3163 c5b D 03PD811 Wayland Police - Proprietary Law Talk
3211 c8b D 03P911 Central 9-1-1 Police - Dispatch (Simulcasted ContyTRS) Law Dispatch
3355 d1b D 03COM Countywide Common (Mutual Aid all agencies) Interop
3356 d1c D 03F911 Central 9-1-1 Fire - Dispatch Fire Dispatch
3357 d1d D 03LEIN Central 9-1-1 Police - LEIN Law Talk
3358 d1e D 03PD030 Central 9-1-1 Police - Secondary Law Talk
3359 d1f D 03P233 Central 9-1-1 Police - Tactical Law Tac

You'll also find that Allegan Co. also includes the southern part of Holland city. This is where you will find most of the action. So also take a look at Ottawa county also. If that's not got enough action and you bring an antenna you can put in the attic or on a tower, or take a drive up I-196 you may also get Kent county and Grand Rapids excitement to monitor.

If you use the import for Win500/PSREdit for the GRE/RadioShack digitals or FreeSCAN/ARCXT for the Uniden XT models you'll have the latest data you need.

 

[drdispatch]

Depending on what part of Allegan County you are in, you may also try the following:

3-008 South Haven (NW VanBuren) 866.350 866.8625 867.3625 867.8625a 868.0625 868.6125 868.8625c
3-010 Plainwell (Barry/Allegan/Kalamazoo corner) 866.175 866.3625 866.625 866.6525 866.6625 867.350 867.4375 868.2125 868.3625a 868.725 868.8875c
3-025 Allendale (Ottawa) 866.050 866.325 866.4625 867.9625 868.4625a 868.575 868.825 868.9625c

Safe trip & good scanning!

 

[wesm1957]

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8350i/4.6.1.313 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/103)

I used to live in Kent County, and my scanners were never quiet. I am in Allegan now. There is still a lot of activity. Just today West Michigan Aircare had 2 flights into Allegan County for accidents.
. Have a good and safe trip

 

[Starcom21]

Allegan County Public Safety EDACS

OK, thanks for all the responses. I will now begin to ask some questions and give info on what I received during the trip.

Allegan County Public Safety....
my PSR-500 showed that 857.9375 was LCN01 on site 01.
my PSR-500 showed that 858.2625 was LCN01 on site 02.

Are there actually different sites with differen LCN's that arent simulcast on the "same" frequency?

Also, managed to get a couple AFS numbers:
15-131 (very close to the current numbers)
04-022 (completely different)

 

[DaveIN]

Hi Terry. The Allegan ProVoice system is simulcast on six towers, the main "cell site" tower in Allegan is LCN 01. The tower at Holland is LCN 02 is actually a separate call sign. I monitor it at times with UniTrunker or Etrunk. The other towers do not seem to be monitor-able from my QTH even with a beam. Repeater output is 100 Watts. And the frequencies do alternate to the secondary for full duty cycle relief.

Not much you can monitor this system due to the ProVoice, unless your Linux (Ubuntu) savvy. :twisted: Then again, if it's important, you'll also hear the same traffic on the MPSCS P25 Allegan talkgroups.

FCC Callsign WQBT632 Details Main simulcast system at Allegan.

FCC Callsign WPPF573 Details Secondary system with simulcast.