Vermonts change over to P25
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Just a suggestion; it appears you're a premium subscriber, and I'm guessing you already own ProScan, so why not use your credentials through the software so you can pull in the latest data? To me that seems to be the ideal way to keep up with things as they develop, if that's what is occurring.
OpenSquelch
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As far as I know/hear, RCSO is the only current P25 system being used, and a few channels up in northern VT for VSP. Most are analog still.
And everything you see in the DB is what has been heard to date. Which is not much.
Rutland and Windham County are the only agencies south of the capital that are operating on P25. VSP has decided to push back their cutover with no timeframe. Likely won't happen any time soon.
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Other than what has been already mentioned:
- Some Game Wardens operate on digital depending on your location.
- Montpelier PD operates on digital and there is some traffic on Lamoille Co. Sheriff 2 that is digital.
- All Chittenden Co. municipal LEO are digital, but are encrypted.
- South Burlington & Burlington FD are digital.
Including Shelburne? There's never been a submission to either RR or SNE of them being digital or encrypted. If you have the info, please submit it so we can update the databases. Thanks.
DeeEx
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Yes; the police are on a NXDN system with full-time encryption. That would be both Shelburne and Hinesburg PDs.
Shelburne Dispatch on the fire side is all analog.
Chittenden County SO is generally all digital and encrypted except the nighttime/after hours base (Colchester?) is analog. There’s at least a few analog portables still out there as well.
There’s still some things in Addison County I’m trying to figure out, for example, it appears some element of the sheriff’s office uses 460.5250 simplex digital/encrypted around the courthouse. Despite the frequency, I know it’s not CCSO because I’ve seen the vehicles coming and going with no CCSO units to be seen. Again, it’s something I’m still trying to figure out. I don’t know anyone on that department anymore so I can’t ask.
Someone out there also appears to be using a repeater on 460.5250 with a tone of D511, analog. I’m not sure who and of course it could even be in New York.
Not to wander too far off topic, but somebody in Addison County seems to be using VCALL10 with a tone of 110.9 linked to 453.6250; for lack of a better term it’s simulcasting in the Middlebury area. Possibly a very weak signal only at the courthouse or MPD. It’s also occurred to me it could even be something the fire department set up since they are on VHF. That wouldn’t surprise me in the least because things like that happen in VT (ie the now-defunct Shelburne/Hinesburg 157.375-453.1500 link set up by the fire department).
I live on the Chittenden/Addison County line and monitor from home at least a couple hours a day plus whenever I’m driving.
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billsfan1995
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Yes, Chittenden County Sheriff is mixed analog / P25E. My best guess, like you said, is that some portables are still set to transmit analog (whether that be due to user error or geography) and when the Sheriff's Office base answers those portables (during business hours), they do so in analog mode. When Winooski PD takes over after the office closes, they exclusively transmit P25E. Every now and again you'll catch one of the dayshift portables calling 900 (WPD) via analog and then getting no response... AKA 900 answering on P25E.
I don't get down to Addison County much, interesting findings. 453.625 is licensed for MPD, so maybe someone rigged up a VHF link for them? Are the Addison County Sheriffs still VHF?
ecps92
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FYI if the tone is 110.9 then it is NOT VCall10
VCALL 10 would use 156.7 Only
DeeEx
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Got it; well, the frequency is the same.
Sure would be nice if you submitted this to the DB to be entered into the database so others would know...
ecps92
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Freq Alone does not ID who/what/where, just pointing out the most common mistake in scanning
Freq/Tone - ENC/CLR - type of activity and then many times RIDS or years of monitoring ID the actuality
Are they NXDN or P25? I got a submission today saying they were P25.
Still waiting for your submission as well...
DeeEx
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It is NXDN; my agency works with them and I see the radios often. An older RS scanner will show it as P25 when receiving because it won’t differentiate whereas a newer Uniden SDS will show NXDN on the display.
I am an older person and not sure how to submit things to the database, but I’ll look it up when I have a moment…I’m working doubles at the moment to cover for someone whose kids just get out of school and wanted go on vacation.
It's easy. Go to the database, click on the state, the county,and under the blue menu is the option to submit...
When you click on it, it brings you here...
Thought I'd help as much as I could here. The most important piece of info we need is the RAN code with whatever you submit.
OpenSquelch
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453.625 MPD also now covers ACSO with the same PL as MPD. They are now working with the same dispatch at MPD. Sometimes you'll hear car-car SO on 155.4150 186.2, mostly evenings. On weekends and some overnights MPD/ACSO is heard on VSP New Haven.
OpenSquelch
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It's possible for the 460.525 you hear is actually 460.6250 D411 bleeding over from NY. My memory isn't the best but I think I recall getting that earlier in the year along the valley. I'll plug it in and report back.
Someone who has good knowledge of the radio systems up there, and has a track record of accuracy that I am very familiar with, submitted all the correct, corrections to the Chittenden County and they have been put in the DB. It's still a work in progress, however and I will let you know when completed.
