Did anyone get a chance to observe this storm when it moved through Westmoreland County? How long did it take the warning to get disseminated over the airwaves?
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Ron
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Very fast moving tornado
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daleduke17
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Good God. 20 miles of land it can traverse in 15 minutes (appx). I don't even want to see one moving that fast. At least it would be quick and somewhat painless.
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DaveNF2G
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Notice that there wasn't necessarily an actual tornado. The storm was "capable of producing a tornado" according to the warning text.
DarkPhoenix
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Click on RAW VIDEO link and slideshow. http://www.wnep.com/
It's just an error by the forecaster issuing the warning - many times these products go out without someone else doublechecking. Tornadoes don't move at 80mph.
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rdale said:
Never say never...the tri-state tornado holds a record for the fastest or one of the fastest forward speeds of any significant tornado at nearly 80 mph (73 mph to be exact).
Actually the entire story of the tornado changed in the past year - a few (mostly retired) severe storms meteorologists are in the process of thoroughly documenting it and many of the "facts" we know about it are WAY off... It's an interesting story about the work they are doing - traveling to libraries all around the path of the storm, interviewing family members of survivors, etc. Some of the conclusion are expected to be made a little more public next year...
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At that speed.... Imagine the damage in the time alotted. I'm certain there would be casualties.
As mentioned above, tornadoes don't move at 80mph. And as far as I can tell, there wasn't a tornado at all at any speed for this warning...
According to an old storm report by the Michigan Department of Agriculture, from World War I that I read many years ago, there was a tornado that did move at 80 MPH. This particular twister was part of a series of tornadoes that struck Lower Michigan on June 6, 1917, causing a lot of damage in certain areas. Reportedly, the tornado in question touched down at near Albion, went through Springport and on up to the Lansing area.
Based on confirmed reports from train stations and telegraphers, the time that it took for the tornado to travel from Point A-to-B, was calculated at 80-82 MPH. Apparently, this massive F4 storm (later assigned this level by Tom Grazulis, of the Tornado Project) was rather large and destroyed most of Springport, which is located in northwestern Jackson County. Furthermore, an Ariel survey was conducted and it was concluded that this was a single tornado, since it had a continuous path from start to finish. However, to the best of my knowledge, no photographs of the survey are known to exist.
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Based on confirmed reports from train stations and telegraphers, the time that it took for the tornado to travel from Point A-to-B, was calculated at 80-82 MPH. Apparently, this massive F4 storm (later assigned this level by Tom Grazulis, of the Tornado Project) was rather large and destroyed most of Springport, which is located in northwestern Jackson County. Furthermore, an Ariel survey was conducted and it was concluded that this was a single tornado, since it had a continuous path from start to finish. However, to the best of my knowledge, no photographs of the survey are known to exist.
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I'm a county or two away in Luzerne Co. I guess it is not official yet but they are claiming potentially an F-2 touched down in the Mountaintop area. Based on the photos and stories I'd believe it.
I monitored that afternoon on my work scanner. I don't have weather alert capabilities but the weather freq. was running warnings for mostly severe thunderstorm and high winds pretty early in the day. Our local EMA came on-line at about 2PM stating "the storm is moving at 93 MPH and producing winds in excess of 70MPH" They ran that warning for over 30 minutes with predicted arrival times. I can tell you the 3:20PM arrival for the town I was in was early...the storm was at least 25 minutes behind that. I'm not sure where the 93MPH came from but they did broadcast it many times and it was not a recording.
I've seen a lot of bad storms but this one was pretty amazing.
I monitored that afternoon on my work scanner. I don't have weather alert capabilities but the weather freq. was running warnings for mostly severe thunderstorm and high winds pretty early in the day. Our local EMA came on-line at about 2PM stating "the storm is moving at 93 MPH and producing winds in excess of 70MPH" They ran that warning for over 30 minutes with predicted arrival times. I can tell you the 3:20PM arrival for the town I was in was early...the storm was at least 25 minutes behind that. I'm not sure where the 93MPH came from but they did broadcast it many times and it was not a recording.
I've seen a lot of bad storms but this one was pretty amazing.
Thunderbolt, might be time to change your avatar 
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/01/washington/01civil.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/01/washington/01civil.html?_r=1&oref=slogin"Our local EMA came on-line at about 2PM stating "the storm is moving at 93 MPH and producing winds in excess of 70MPH" They ran that warning for over 30 minutes with predicted arrival times. "
Related to the above - the doppler radar can 'attempt' to automatically determine the speed of the storm. It's up to the meteorologist to figure out if it's right - and for some reason he didn't QC in that case.
Related to the above - the doppler radar can 'attempt' to automatically determine the speed of the storm. It's up to the meteorologist to figure out if it's right - and for some reason he didn't QC in that case.
kc0jar said:Thunderbolt, might be time to change your avatar
Oh man this is a sad day in America!
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