nyplumma
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Jan 5th, 2023 - Thursday
I made up some charts for myself (to view these chart attachments in full size you may need to log in) to reference the MOAs/ATCAAs airpsaces up here in NY/VT/NH/ME.
I didn't realize they were already on the "sectional chart" & "IFR Enroute chart(s)" background settings on ADS-B (MOA boundries shown only - the ATCAAs are not shown, but simply "above the MOAs" in altitude).
I pulled these (divided up purple areas) off another website and filled in the boxes myself. Then found another (very poor quality) jpg of the "Viper Airspace" and transferred what I saw there, over to my new chart, combining the "VIPER AIRSPACE" with (laying it over) the "Adirondack Airspace Complex".
For me, "knowing where" these jets are gave me a more complete understanding of what I was hearing. It's always nice to have images to go along with text and audio. So, for those (like me) who are just trying to understand all the MOAs & ATCAAs up here (NY/VT/NH/ME), this is for you. Accepting the fact that these are my own "home made" charts and may not be 100 percent gospel, ok?
Comments & Corrections are ALWAYS welcomed~! I need to learn, I know and for that I rely on you. Thanks for your patience & understanding. Enjoy. Today's log below.
best, lar ~ saratoga springs, ny
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JAN 5th, 2023 Thursday
12:40pm 379.400 - (old syracuse ang cobra ops freq)
Several attempts made but no joy - couldn't make out "who" he was calling
12:50pm 244.500 - (Ft Drum Range Control? ANG OPS at Drum? = "Barkeater" & "Ice Digger" heard previously - air/ground)
Comms referenced Primary freq (379.4?) not working out too well and using this one (244.5) instead (and they did).
(PACK81 mentioned PACK82 coordinating/working with ground - (PACK82 & JEEP41 were shown in area via ADSB)
12:58pm 323.800 - PACK CONTROL ANG OPS - Portsmouth Intl at PEASE w/141.95 VHF CP -
PACK82 calling PACK CONTROL RTB PEASE - (several times no joy @ 10,000ft over Springfield, Mass)
*Parts of VIPER (ADK Airspace Complex) showing active from 1:30pm today until 1:30am tomorrow -
but no "2 hour time blocks as previously noted"
1:38pm 259.900 (MA ANG a/a button)
Brief hit on comms
1:39pm 261.800
Someone working in the area - comms weak to fair - no callsigns, but very active freq
1:43pm 323.000 - Boston ARTCC
"something-41" then went down into the weeds- something-1 switching then 226.3 popped up active but weak for me
1:44pm 226.300
Wheeler Sack Approach (MOA COMMON) = as listed in the AB/1b (look up VR-1801 notes).
I call this "VIPER Common" as it's used for check in / check outs into/out of the VIPER Airspace.
The Viper Airspace lays over the Adirondack Airspace Complex and is split into four parts = N,S,E,W
Take the northern boundry of Lowville & Tupper South MOA/ATCAAs and use that as "Viper North/South" boundry lines
Take the west line of Tupper South and Tupper West and Potsdam (MOA/ATCAAs) and use that as the "Viper East/West boundry lines".
Why is there more than one reference to same area? Ya got me: ie; Adirondack Airspace Complex & the Viper Airspace.
Use FAA SUA website or ADS-B Sectional chart background or IFR enroute background to SEE these MOA boundry lines.
*1/5/2023 @1:44pm 226.300 = had Very active comms -
check in / check out (who ever was working 234.8 & 261.8 ?) didn't catch callsigns
1:45pm 261.800
Very loud - two a/c - one female is on her game! Very active freq (went quiet at 2:15pm)
1:47pm 234.800
weak comms - unknown users - very active - female from 261.8 just popped up in candance check in
2:44pm 314.400
weak comms
2:47pm 226.300
mentioned being in the Viper airspace
2:49pm 234.800 & 314.400 & 226.3
call out contacts
3:03pm 244.500 weak comms
3:04pm 226.800 - active comms
3:11pm 314.400 - active comms
---------- out.
I made up some charts for myself (to view these chart attachments in full size you may need to log in) to reference the MOAs/ATCAAs airpsaces up here in NY/VT/NH/ME.
I didn't realize they were already on the "sectional chart" & "IFR Enroute chart(s)" background settings on ADS-B (MOA boundries shown only - the ATCAAs are not shown, but simply "above the MOAs" in altitude).
I pulled these (divided up purple areas) off another website and filled in the boxes myself. Then found another (very poor quality) jpg of the "Viper Airspace" and transferred what I saw there, over to my new chart, combining the "VIPER AIRSPACE" with (laying it over) the "Adirondack Airspace Complex".
For me, "knowing where" these jets are gave me a more complete understanding of what I was hearing. It's always nice to have images to go along with text and audio. So, for those (like me) who are just trying to understand all the MOAs & ATCAAs up here (NY/VT/NH/ME), this is for you. Accepting the fact that these are my own "home made" charts and may not be 100 percent gospel, ok?
Comments & Corrections are ALWAYS welcomed~! I need to learn, I know and for that I rely on you. Thanks for your patience & understanding. Enjoy. Today's log below.
best, lar ~ saratoga springs, ny
*log in to see/download attachments
JAN 5th, 2023 Thursday
12:40pm 379.400 - (old syracuse ang cobra ops freq)
Several attempts made but no joy - couldn't make out "who" he was calling
12:50pm 244.500 - (Ft Drum Range Control? ANG OPS at Drum? = "Barkeater" & "Ice Digger" heard previously - air/ground)
Comms referenced Primary freq (379.4?) not working out too well and using this one (244.5) instead (and they did).
(PACK81 mentioned PACK82 coordinating/working with ground - (PACK82 & JEEP41 were shown in area via ADSB)
12:58pm 323.800 - PACK CONTROL ANG OPS - Portsmouth Intl at PEASE w/141.95 VHF CP -
PACK82 calling PACK CONTROL RTB PEASE - (several times no joy @ 10,000ft over Springfield, Mass)
*Parts of VIPER (ADK Airspace Complex) showing active from 1:30pm today until 1:30am tomorrow -
but no "2 hour time blocks as previously noted"
1:38pm 259.900 (MA ANG a/a button)
Brief hit on comms
1:39pm 261.800
Someone working in the area - comms weak to fair - no callsigns, but very active freq
1:43pm 323.000 - Boston ARTCC
"something-41" then went down into the weeds- something-1 switching then 226.3 popped up active but weak for me
1:44pm 226.300
Wheeler Sack Approach (MOA COMMON) = as listed in the AB/1b (look up VR-1801 notes).
I call this "VIPER Common" as it's used for check in / check outs into/out of the VIPER Airspace.
The Viper Airspace lays over the Adirondack Airspace Complex and is split into four parts = N,S,E,W
Take the northern boundry of Lowville & Tupper South MOA/ATCAAs and use that as "Viper North/South" boundry lines
Take the west line of Tupper South and Tupper West and Potsdam (MOA/ATCAAs) and use that as the "Viper East/West boundry lines".
Why is there more than one reference to same area? Ya got me: ie; Adirondack Airspace Complex & the Viper Airspace.
Use FAA SUA website or ADS-B Sectional chart background or IFR enroute background to SEE these MOA boundry lines.
*1/5/2023 @1:44pm 226.300 = had Very active comms -
check in / check out (who ever was working 234.8 & 261.8 ?) didn't catch callsigns
1:45pm 261.800
Very loud - two a/c - one female is on her game! Very active freq (went quiet at 2:15pm)
1:47pm 234.800
weak comms - unknown users - very active - female from 261.8 just popped up in candance check in
2:44pm 314.400
weak comms
2:47pm 226.300
mentioned being in the Viper airspace
2:49pm 234.800 & 314.400 & 226.3
call out contacts
3:03pm 244.500 weak comms
3:04pm 226.800 - active comms
3:11pm 314.400 - active comms
---------- out.