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VP8000 NXDN confirmed

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So.. VP8K will be adding NXDN, great! Does the VP8K as it sits do VHF, UHF & 700-800 also? How many bands at a time? (If I could monitor a P25 trunked system, and VHF (Analog and / or NXDN) at the same time, that would put the cow in the barn.

And as far as the NX5K series, what exactly does a "refresh" consist of?
All the bands at one time, same zone and everything. Channel 1 can be UHF and ch 2 can VHF *as far as I know*. I haven't had my hands on one yet but I spent some time playing around in Armada just now and I can make a zone have mixed bands. Also, if you don't have the EFJ syskey for said P25 system you can't program it.
 

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Any idea how many digital modes it can support at a time? Hoping for NXDN, P25, and DMR all at once.
That's the plan as I understand it. It would be pointless otherwise. It's supposed to be one radio to rule them all and the king of interoperability, basically a GFY to everyone else.

So.. VP8K will be adding NXDN, great! Does the VP8K as it sits do VHF, UHF & 700-800 also? How many bands at a time? (If I could monitor a P25 trunked system, and VHF (Analog and / or NXDN) at the same time, that would put the cow in the barn.

That's not how it works. It's a single "channel" (be it whatever that may be programmed as) at a time. Of course there's scan, but scanning between a trunked system and conventional channels is, well, iffy as we all know.

As it sits, the VP8000 is a 136-174, 380-520, 700-800 portable depending on what options and bands are purchased. But no. It doesn't have "simultaneous receive", if that's what I'm thinking you're asking. It's a commercial radio - could you imagine cops trying to figure that out?

Now you can do what you want to do using VM7000 mobiles stacked up, but that's not exactly a handheld.

All the bands at one time, same zone and everything. Channel 1 can be UHF and ch 2 can VHF *as far as I know*. I haven't had my hands on one yet but I spent some time playing around in Armada just now and I can make a zone have mixed bands. Also, if you don't have the EFJ syskey for said P25 system you can't program it.

That's correct. Channel 1 could be UHF, Channel 2 VHF, Channel 3 a trunked talkgroup, etc. There is no "passive monitor" on these radios, that's done using the "No-Affiliate Scan" procedure same as Motorola. Though it does require the EFJ system key as previously mentioned for the system, or you get nothing. And as far as I know, there aren't software system key hacks or any other Motorola-style goings on for these radios.

The idea of passive trunked monitoring was brought to Kenwood's attention at a recent industry event, however apparently there is some consternation from a couple of East Coast system managers who I don't think understand what is being asked for.
 
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As far as scanning a trunked system and conventional RWS does a good job, now that you can have priority channels on a TRS and conventional it is great.
 

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any one doing NXDN beta testing tried using the basic scrambler encryption between the 8k and the kw nx5k radios?
 

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any one doing NXDN beta testing tried using the basic scrambler encryption between the 8k and the kw nx5k radios?
If I have some time this weekend, ill tune up a duplexer and fire up my NXR and do some benching. Unfortunately I have about 7 other things on my to do list, PLUS the honey do list as well.
 

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I have not tried it with an NX5000 but I can confirm it works with an NX300.

Same here, running basic NXDN scrambling/encryption between NX-5400, NX-3400, NX-410, NX-420, NX-900, NX-3900, NX-5900, all work fine.
As soon as they officially release NXDN in the VP-8000/VM-8000, I'll probably buy some.
 

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Also, if you don't have the EFJ syskey for said P25 system you can't program it.
For Shtz and giggles say we were trying to passively monitor a Harris P25 sys, or a Motorola system, to see how good they sound on the VP8000. Hopefully you don't mean we would need to acquire (specifically stated) an "EFJ SysKey" to be able to monitor a Harris or Motorola system? On that note, what about an 'trbo DMR IP site connect?.. It feels xldifficult to the end user, throwing up roadblocks in the way of something that they shouldn't. EFJ shoulf not concern themselves about what the end user wants to do with it.
 

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For Shtz and giggles say we were trying to passively monitor a Harris P25 sys, or a Motorola system, to see how good they sound on the VP8000. Hopefully you don't mean we would need to acquire (specifically stated) an "EFJ SysKey" to be able to monitor a Harris or Motorola system? On that note, what about an 'trbo DMR IP site connect?.. It feels xldifficult to the end user, throwing up roadblocks in the way of something that they shouldn't. EFJ shoulf not concern themselves about what the end user wants to do with it.
You would, in fact, have to get a an EFJ syskey, as in a trunked system key generated by EFJ. A motorola or Harris key won't work, although using a similar programming method to Motorola the VP8000 will NAS so if you have permission to be on the system then you can passively monitor.
 

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Same here, running basic NXDN scrambling/encryption between NX-5400, NX-3400, NX-410, NX-420, NX-900, NX-3900, NX-5900, all work fine.
As soon as they officially release NXDN in the VP-8000/VM-8000, I'll probably buy some.
Ya i have also run the encryption between those but i was trying to find out if they will or have it working between those radios and the 8k. i know on DMR it dose not as of today. And yes I have been in contact with Kenwood and EFJ requesting it but have not gotten much more than we will look into it.
 

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Ya i have also run the encryption between those but i was trying to find out if they will or have it working between those radios and the 8k. i know on DMR it dose not as of today. And yes I have been in contact with Kenwood and EFJ requesting it but have not gotten much more than we will look into it.

Got it. I hope it does. Kind of need it to do that part...
 

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Ya i have also run the encryption between those but i was trying to find out if they will or have it working between those radios and the 8k. i know on DMR it dose not as of today. And yes I have been in contact with Kenwood and EFJ requesting it but have not gotten much more than we will look into it.
What form of encryption are you using? I'm using ARC4 (Enhanced Encryption) and have no issues between VP8000, NX5K, NX3K and Moto. There was an odd issue where it didn't like the hardware loaded keys, but using Software keys on the VP, it works just fine in DMR.
 

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the basic scrambler encryption is what i was talking about the one built into the radios by default.. have not needed to deal with many of the hardware encryption yet but good info to know about that
 
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