warrs in the coweta area

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i have a pro-162 and was wondering if that will pick up the warrs system, also if it will can i have some one help me programming because i have read the book (instruction manual) and still hear nothing. i have changed the fleet map and the mot hybrid system and all that i can find to change and hear nothing.
I just started a wrecker company in the newnan area and would love to hear all the county chatter and also see whats going on where and when.

thanks for the help in advance

scott ross
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The 162 is an analog scanner that will not pick up digital transmissions. Coweta's system, in my opinion, is the best in the Atlanta area. Your investment in a digital scanner will be worth it.

Good luck with the new business.
 

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thanks for the response. what is a good mobile scanner that is digital? i would like to keep it in the truck with me to monitor as well as in the house when i am not on the road.
another question is why is city pd and fd still on the old system? it seems that they would get on board.
 

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Go with uniden scanner

I know you said to go with uniden. It wound up with a pro 106. What software or program am I going to need to be able to program this thing. I have the scan cat lite but it's about two years old and does not have the warrs freqs in it
 

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i grew up in carrollton, now live in newnan. when we first moved here (moreland area) i could pick up carroll county and city pd better than coweta and city fd pd. since the switch i suppose i will still not get carroll county so or fire.
i am going to down load the win500 when i get the scanner. i guess that will work with the 162 as well? would be nice to have a base mobile scanner for the wrecker and when we are out running and one for the house.
thanks for the info and help
scott ross
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If they ever get the 2 Warrs tied together, you could listen to Carroll radio on your local tower.
So far, it does not work that way.
 

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yeah i really miss listen to carroll county. i was looking at the other programms and the winn500 system seems real close/closer than other to me and i am familiar with that type. i done a lot of reading last night and now seem more confused than before. i think once i get the radio and play with it i will feel more comfortable with it.
thanks for the post and info

scott ross
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Listening to Carroll County services on towers in Coweta

If they ever get the 2 Warrs tied together, you could listen to Carroll radio on your local tower.
So far, it does not work that way.

As I understand it, the only transmissions you will hear broadcast on the frequencies at the Coweta County tower sites will only be on the talkgroups authorized to do so and these are strictly talkgroups assigned to Coweta County and Newnan with the exception of a few mutual aid or common talkgroups. The system would busy out quite frequently if all of the talkgroups used by the agencies in Carroll, Coweta, Haralson and Heard Counties were set up to simulcast at all sites at the same time across all four counties. Therefore, to prevent this from happening each talkgroup and individual radio must be authorized to "roam" to the other tower sites based on system and individual radio programming. In order for the system to be able to simulcast each talkgroup used by each agency at every tower site the system would have to be designed to have every frequency at every tower site throughout all four counties and this would be extremely expensive to do and maintain, so I don't think this is the case. Anyone on RR familiar with the actual system design or have a working knowledge of it that can confirm this?

If the system is designed the way I think it is, it will not enable someone in Coweta County to hear radio traffic occurring in Carroll County any better regardless of whether the two systems are tied together or not.
 

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As I understand it, the only transmissions you will hear broadcast on the frequencies at the Coweta County tower sites will only be on the talkgroups authorized to do so and these are strictly talkgroups assigned to Coweta County and Newnan with the exception of a few mutual aid or common talkgroups. The system would busy out quite frequently if all of the talkgroups used by the agencies in Carroll, Coweta, Haralson and Heard Counties were set up to simulcast at all sites at the same time across all four counties. Therefore, to prevent this from happening each talkgroup and individual radio must be authorized to "roam" to the other tower sites based on system and individual radio programming. In order for the system to be able to simulcast each talkgroup used by each agency at every tower site the system would have to be designed to have every frequency at every tower site throughout all four counties and this would be extremely expensive to do and maintain, so I don't think this is the case. Anyone on RR familiar with the actual system design or have a working knowledge of it that can confirm this?

If the system is designed the way I think it is, it will not enable someone in Coweta County to hear radio traffic occurring in Carroll County any better regardless of whether the two systems are tied together or not.

That is correct. The Smartzone OmniLink zone controller allows for specific load balancing site and individual ID provisioning, roaming to specific zones/sites can be enabled/disabled for specific talkgroups and specific radios. It all depends on how the system management wants it, and available resources at each site.

In large statewide systems, unlimited roaming has proven to be a bad omen. The bridge collapse in Minnesota a couple of years ago proved this, when low density sites on the ARMER system became overloaded with distant talkgroup traffic by local users "wanting to listen" to the incident from hundreds of miles away. The smaller sites had very few channels, some as little as 3-5, and easily became busied out so local talkgroup users could not get radio resources to complete calls.

In another incident in Colerain, OH, two LODD's occured and later forensic examination of their Smartzone Omnilink P25 radio system traffic showed many affiliations and de-affiliations by users across multiple zones, all occuring simultaneously which caused several transmissions from the fallen firefighters at the scene to be blocked. A great majority of these affiliations and accidental inadvertent keyups on the talkgroup were from radio system users who were not involved or part of the incident response.

In Metro Atlanta, the Cobb DTRS has some talkgroup roaming capability on the UASI overlay for authorized users. One of the reasons the UASI overlay is underused (aside from high per radio user fees) is the lack of radio resources (RF channels) at each site to support heavy use for day to day agency operations.

So, in Coweta, you'll only hear traffic on the other county talkgroups when an authorized users' radio affiliates on one of those talkgroups on those distant sites. When they leave the coverage area, their radio will re-register on their "home" WACN and those talkgroups will again go quiet on the distant sites.
 

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Thanks. That does make sense.
On most days I can hear the Carroll tower in Newnan no problem.

thats good to know. i miss listening to carroll county, i think the coweta dispatchers could learn alot from them. carroll co still dispatches fire on theold system so i can hear that and that is mostly what i care about. but the 2pm sunday afternoon neighbor on the lawn tractor in his underwear drunk again calls are funny to hear.

digital scanner should be here by friday hopefully and i can join back in the fun.

thanks for all the info and help guys

scott ross
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I'm getting coweta tg's in off the haralson tower today. Not exactly sure why unless they linked them.
 

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I live just north of Newnan. I can get Carroll and Heard talk groups in addition to Coweta. I haven't tried Douglas or Haralson but I will try.
 

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I live by the fairgrounds. Can't get carroll county so or CPD. I get fire for Carroll county but that is all. When I make a little money in the towing business I am going to put In a good antenna to see if I get them. When I am about 3 miles n/w I can get them.
 

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It looks like the Coweta site is on Temple Ave so you should have no problem hitting it. I don't know how the multi site thing works and I want to do some research and make sure I am doing it right. Although I get some Carroll County talk group traffic, I have them in a separate scan list and don't have that list turned on a lot so I don't know if I am getting everything from Carroll that I could.

I currently have one TSYS object, named WARRS, set up with the Coweta site Control Channel as number 1, then the Carroll site main CC and alternate CC in slots 2 & 3.

I also have the "Multi Site Mode" option set to "Stationary". My scanner is a Pro197 base, non mobile.
 
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