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I like to listen to the scanner while I work. I use the online media player. Is there REALLY not that much going on in St. George? I hear nothing most of the time. Can someone explain why?
 

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Purely a coincidence indeed!

My question is... why did Utah Narcs hold their conference in Nevada instead of Utah? What happens in Mesquite stays in Mesquite? Sheesh...

Heh, I think it's because some of the choirboy-looking narcs still have a hard time buying beer in Utah. Is there something about LDS culture that prohibits someone from looking like a scuzzball, even if it's in the call of duty??

Unfortunately, while I support their mission 100%, I think very low of them (collectively) in terms of basic operations security, so I don't think they did it out of state simply so Utah's druggies wouldn't happen to run-into these guys. I'm *guessing* it had more to do with hotel rates & availability, and yes, perhaps thinking they can be a little more frisky if they're out of state & away from momma for a few days.

PLUS if you deliberately make it far enough away, then departments let attendees take an extra day for travel & book rooms, whereas if you had the event in the middle of the state, some departments would not authorize hotel rooms & the poor phucks would have to commute back & forth for a couple days.

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Here's the basic event that occurred: Witnesses say trio that drove over cliff, killing 2, were drinking | ksl.com & UPDATED: Saturday morning SUV accident turns fatal in Warner Valley | St. George News | STGnews.comSt. George News | STGnews.com Car plunges from cliff in Washington County, 2 dead | Deseret News

& here's part of an email I wrote to some fellow radio-geeks about the incident:

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I woke up & heard it pretty much from the beginning. The young woman called 9-1-1 at about 5AM (it was well before the 5:15AM time quoted in the articles) & said that she'd been in a crash somewhere in the Washington Fields area, the car was overturned & the male passenger was still in it, unconscious, and her female friend "Jackie" that'd been driving the car couldn't be found.

SO was dispatched & very thankfully, the BLM LE Ranger 13B-15 was awake/on-duty & also responded, as he knew the area well.

Terrain was very rough & it took a long time to locate the scene, using Life Flight as well as LE & FD units using their sirens & lights while the young woman was on the phone with Control & reporting if she could hear the sirens, see the lights, etc 13B-15 located the scene first, but he was atop the 200-300' cliff & there was no easy way to actually get down to the scene. Area was even too rocky for LifeFlight to land, so they mostly just orbited & lit up the scene while 13B-15 & a couple EMS guys hiked their way in, finally making contact with the young woman at around 6AM. The County SAR Teamt was activated shortly afterward, and I heard them talking on their 155.370 repeater. The SO wanted to get some ATVs out there to the scene ASAP, but it seems like the ATVs/trailer was locked-up with no emergency key there, so they had to wait for one person with the key to unlock the ATVs from storage at the SO...


I guess the one guy still in the car was DOA, and I'm thinking the woman driving the car had been ejected & was also found DOA pretty quickly.

Sad, horrible event. HOWEVER, the news is already stating that alcohol was definitely a factor, and that after sharing some beers with some campers, the three drove off without lights on in the car & were driving recklessly in a dangerous area, so...


Now, from strictly a *communications* perspective, this incident was very, very frustrating to me. FD units & LE units on the scene were basically doing their own thing on their own UCAN talk groups, trying to locate the crash scene -- NO direct coordination between the two! Washington City PD was also dispatched, and for a long time even they were on their own talk group. Plus then LifeFlight was on yet another frequency during the search (UCAN LZ-1 channel). FOUR separate responders in the area, all trying to locate the crash, all on their own channels -- information was not properly being shared & the paltry info that was being shared was being done by "Control" relaying it. No ICS was used, no intelligent person on the scene or at dispatch ever thought "Hey, let's get all the resources there in the area on *one* channel so that the search & rescue efforts can be coordinated & information shared directly!" It's not like there was a lot of radio traffic where they needed to split it up to different channels -- all the various units there were trying to do the same thing -- find the crash site, determine how best to access it & then rescue/recover the victims. They very easily could have switched to an Ops channel, and truly taken-advantage of this very expensive UCAN system. Doing so probably would not have saved a life in this instance, but absolutely would have sped things up dramatically. & improved efficiency. To me, this sort of ignorance is bordering on negligence. If there's a major incident taking place with multiple resources, put them all on an Ops channel! But clearly that hasn't sunk-in to the dispatchers, nor to LE personnel. UCAN is still somewhat new to the county, but it's abilities (such as common Ops channels) are known. It's funny -- I actually felt like calling Control & demanding they put everyone on an Ops channel.

I went back to sleep around 7 or 7:30 when it was mostly up to the SAR Team to do the recovery. SAR Team is pretty good about switching to simplex (their repeater freq output) when they're all at the scene, & were too far away for me to hear.
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The Red Bull Rampage event is taking place near Virgin this weekend.

http://www.redbullrampage.com

Freqs in use today:

461.9125/DCS606 -- Race Operations & Judges
464.550 -- Video production crew intercom


Tomorrow is the St George Marathon, with approximately 6000 runners. A couple local UCAN Ops channels should be in use (maybe an Event channel too) as well as two local amateur radio repeaters.
 

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http://www.thespectrum.com/article/...own-prank-call-takes-emergency-time-personnel

Since neither the cops interviewed, nor the reporter understand the radio system, the article is highly amusing from that perspective, though the notion of some *** intruding on the LE radio system is not.

For reasons unknown to me, even though *every* legitimate, normal user of SGPD radios --the VIPs, Dixie College PD, etc. has been issued UCAN radios, and the VHF link causes interference problems, the powers that be keep the link between their old VHF Dispatch channel & their new UCAN Dispatch talk group up, though it's usually configured so that any traffic on VHF isn't heard on the UCAN talk group. This is the case for most of the old VHF public safety repeaters whose users have migrated up to 800MHz UCAN.

Someone -- either with an old commercial radio,old SGPD VHF radio, or modified 2-meter ham radio, apparently got on the VHF channel & simple said "officer down."

I heard an intruder on SGPD a year or two ago, but that was it. I've never heard what the article reports as kids giggling on the radio & suspect that to be BS, or an officer who let kids play in his/her patrol car (numerous officers have take-home vehicles, & of course with this being Utah, many officers have many kids!).

Hard to believe city manager Mortenson could make the comment that the "Officer down" call response didn't jeopardize public safety to the citizens in any way. Officers leaving their beat area, especially doing it in a hurry, sounds like it'd jeopardize basic public safety to me.
 

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Exciting craziness to monitor earlier tonight, starting around 6:40PM! St George PD Kilo-1 (K-9 unit) makes an arrest of a female for outstanding warrants.

He & his K-9 get her to Purgatory Jail's sallyport area, and as the human officer is getting the human miscreant out of the K-9 Unit SUV, he observes that the arrested, hand-cuffed (and assumably, searched) suspect is now brandishing a firearm!

I tune-in just in-time to hear a very excited "Kilo-1" tell "Control" (Dispatch) that he needs emergency help in the jail's sallyport area (sounded like when he saw the gun, he beat-feet in retreat). Next thing you know, he yells something about "she's got a gun!" About 40 painful seconds later, I hear on the Purgatory Jail repeater the report that an SGPD officer in the sallyport needs emergency help, followed-up quickly by the advisement that the subject has a gun. Upon hearing this, there's pandemonium on the jail freq -- some corrections officers are yelling that they're grabbing firearms & will be en-route, some are saying they are grabbing their SWAT gear & will be en route, someone is yelling at their controller to call the lieutenant on the phone & notify him, to which the jail controller asks "Which Lt?" The response was "I don't give a sh*t, just notify one!"

Meanwhile, back on the SGPD primary talk group, this bad-*** ***** is now in the driver's seat of the SGPD K-9 unit SUV and is trying to drive off. I *assume* the sallyport rollup door was down, but that she drove through it. Not sure if I heard this right in all their & my excitement, but I might have heard the officer report that instead of securing his sidearm in the jail sallyport weapons locker, he'd placed it in his front seat, thus the suspect would then have access to yet another firearm (this would tend to explain why he seemed to retreat from her without firing shots at her or the vehicle).

She takes off in the SUV, with the poor K-9 secured in his pen in the back, and leads multiple agencies on a chase down SR-9 thru Hurricane & Laverkin, up SR-17 into Toquerville, on I-15 South, to exit 16 (good ol' SR-9 again). Spike strips were deployed, but their first victim was an overly enthusiastic WCSO deputy, eventually they took out one & then another tire on the marked SGPD SUV (just it's alley lights were on). After about 20 minutes or so of this pursuit which involved up to 15 LE vehicles (not including the LE vehicle the suspect & her captive, the K-9 were in), the vehicle stops around the Texaco station near I-15 & SR-9.

More pandemonium on the radio.... first their are calls of the suspect being in-custody (10-82), but then 20 or 30 seconds later, there's a report of "SHOTS FIRED!" quickly followed-up by the update that no officers were injured, but EMS needs to arrive ASAP for the suspect (who now suddenly is referred to as a male -- is that ANOTHER thing that the arresting officer from SGPD failed to notice?).

I'm not 100% sure if one or more officers shot the person (later described again as being a female), if she shot herself, or what, but as of about 5 minutes after the shooting, she could be heard yelling in the background, so (unfortunately?) I expect her to survive.

When all was said & done, a UHP Trooper was asked by UHP Cedar if he'd fired a shot. His response was no, but that she was shot *while* he was in the process of tackling her. I hope that means that no officers fired any shots while some officers were going hands-on with the suspect, & that she shot herself.

She's now at Dixie Regional Medical Center, enjoying first-class medical service paid-for by us tax payers, and the county's critical incident team is at the final location, doing their investigation.

Meanwhile, before the SGPD K-9 officer is grilled about how he missed finding the firearm she had (albeit, it was described as a .380 type, which can be very small), I hope he's grilling a steak for his poor, traumatized K-9.

Communications were on FOUR different channels during this felony pursuit, which had speeds up to at least 105MPH (& again, suspect was handcuffed -- is it a 'courtesy' around here to cuff females hands in front of them?).

All four radio channels were UCAN talk-groups -- SGPD 1, SO 1, East Law (Hurricane & Washington City PD) & UHP Cedar - South. As usual, no one made any effort to get the multiple units from the multiple agencies off their multiple road-patrol/dispatch channels and onto one of the many mutual-aid channels that the UCAN network offers. "Interoperability" is the usual selling-point for UCAN, but down here, in my opinion, it's been proven time & time again that the officers are ignorant and the LE dispatchers & SGPD Communications Division (which provides contracted PSAP & dispatch functions for all the local public safety except Hildale/Colorado City) management are grossly, inexcusably NEGLIGENT when it comes to either advising units or doing a dynamic regroup from their consoles to automatically switch units to an Ops channel for this sort of fluid, multi-agency/multi-jurisdiction event. Sooner or later, this communications negligence is going to turn into gross negligence that gets someone killed. Some officers did switch on their own volition to the talk-group of whatever agency who was taking lead during the pursuit.

Officers were not reminded on the SGPD channel that in theory, the suspect in the stolen patrol vehicle could be listening to their comms, I have no reason to believe the SGPD dispatcher (or supervisor) at 'Control" was intelligent enough to know that the radio in the stolen patrol vehicle could be remotely shut-off by the console, or that any efforts were made to communicate with her via the vehicle's UCAN radio.
 

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This is why we scan, where else can you get such quality entertainment as it happens? Thanks for the detailed blow-by-blow account. I was in Santa Clara all last week, didn't hear anything this good!
 
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Officers were not reminded on the SGPD channel that in theory, the suspect in the stolen patrol vehicle could be listening to their comms, I have no reason to believe the SGPD dispatcher (or supervisor) at 'Control" was intelligent enough to know that the radio in the stolen patrol vehicle could be remotely shut-off by the console, or that any efforts were made to communicate with her via the vehicle's UCAN radio.

I need to make one correction: shortly after the chase started (I was probably still focusing on the hysterical comms on the Purgatory Jail channel) a SGPD Sgt did get on the main SGPD channel & tell units to switch to Ops 1. This seemed to be done because he did know that otherwise, the suspect in the stolen car would be able to monitor their comms.

However, while some SGPD units moved to the local UCAN Ops 1 talk-group, many other responding units did not, and there still wasn't an effort by "Control" to get the 5 separate (at least!) LEAs directly involved in the pursuit to all switch to Ops1.

Regarding the "confusion' in gender, turns out the criminal stopped in the Texaco gas station & ran up to the passenger side of a car driven by a male motorist. He was told by police to get out of the car & run like hell (the female was still armed, etc.). He did so, and of-course then as other excited officers pull into the area, the see the guy running away, and in their typical Pavlovian response, they start chasing him!! Full of adrenaline after the pursuit & the thought that the suspect had a gun, this poor guy is lucky he didn't get shot, thought I expect he got a thumping initially.

What's still confusing is that the crazy woman was apparrently handcuffed with her hands behind her back, as media articles say that's where her hands were when she brandished the firearm. Yet she couldn't have driven off in the police SUV & done a 20+ mile, 105+MPH (with headlights out) drive that way, so we're to assume she (who doesn't look too spry) was able to stretch & get them over her feet, or the officer is lying about cuffing her hands in back, etc.


I laughed when I saw the jacked-up sallyport door when I passed the jail today. They forced it back down to secure the sallyport area.


http://www.thespectrum.com/article/...sey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage&nclick_check=1
 

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That was a wild ride. Great moments of scanning.
I'll be in that area in January, for a few days and I'll have my scanners ready.
 

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Same! I was down there last weekend and heard the three big accidents: The fatal at MM 4, the one at MM 31 where the freeway was closed yet again and the accident involving the mayor of St. George (read in the paper later that he was the victim).

The fire out by Entrada the FD did switch to Ops 15 but that was it.
 

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Just FYI...


When I first moved to the area about 3 years ago, I quickly found the Washington County Drug Task Force guys on 155.130MHz P-25 NAC 293 (repeater input: 159.165MHz P25 NAC 293). The freq pair was licensed to St George, but pretty much just solely used by the DTF. The repeater was also analog-capable, and the rare analog use of it was with a 110.9Hz tone, with SGPD radios having that (analog) channel.

Sadly, the DTF, like so many other people that don't have a clue about radio technology, confused "encoding" with "encryption" & thought that their comms were quite secure.

In 2011, they migrated to some UCAN talk-groups (P-25) & again, negligently were told or assumed their comms were secure, so their COMSEC/OPSEC continued to be very poor.


As a 'scanner-geek,' I am sad to report, but as a pro-law enforcement, anti-drug taxpaying citizen of Washington County, I am happy to report that as-of a few weeks ago, DTF now uses full-time AES encryption on their primary talk group.

You have *me* to thank/blame for this.
 

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Washington county id tag

Can anyone advise me of what the ops 1 tag number is for Washingington county. Also is this an encrypted broadcast station? Other special ops tag id's are unknown. I would like to learn more.
Thanks for any info.

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There are not one, not two, but THREE US military Weapons of Mass Destruction - Civil Support Teams currently amassed at hotels in St George, awaiting the start of an obviously large training exercise taking place in the region this week.

Intra-Team comms are by VHF radio, but the main Comms Trucks basically have 2MHz - Ku-Band (SATCOM) capability.

Two PRC-117s, a PRC-150 for HF, and then mostly commercial FM & clear/secure P25 radios to interface with federal & state/local public safety land mobile radio systems (mostly the interoperability channels).

Civil Air Patrol will probably be involved, and hopefully there will be some related traffic on UCAN TGs as well as the national mutual aid/interoperability channels.

I'll post one or more photos of the Comm Trucks later.
 

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Monitor 148.125 and 148.150 range CAP is usually on those frequencies maybe others...

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Washington county id tag

Can anyone advise me of what the ops 1 tag number is for Washingington county. Also is this an encrypted broadcast station? Other special ops tag id's are unknown. I would like to learn more.
Thanks for any info.

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A couple of weeks ago I was following an incident in Laverkin that the county sheriff, Hurricane city and UHP all responded to with a man with a gun in a shed. As the incident continued the radio traffic was redirected to another channel ie OPS 1 at this point I could no longer follow what was happening the id tag for this channel is still a mystery.
 

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Question for hooligan about if Tg 30464 for virgin Uhp works and still linked with the virgin VHF channel 155.625 I think it is, or if it has migrated to cedar dispatch 49696?
 
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I finally got around to exploring Webb Hill recently with 3 other RR folks (RonChaffin plus two lurkers), & just got my photos uploaded yesterday:

Webb Hill radio site, St George Utah - a set on Flickr

Also made it up to the Little Creek (Apple Valley) LMR site recently. As of now, I've made it to all the Washington County UCAN/major LMR repeater sites except Utah Hill, and I believe I have photo sets of all the sites on my Flickr web page.


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Region 4 DOT

Has any new TG's popped up that could be or are Southern Utah (Region 4) UDOT. With all the plows and the storms down south I was wondering if there were any of the individual TG's for the sheds like up in Regions 1, 2 and 3 or a dispatch TG for Region 4. Just curious????
 

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I can only hear input channel for Salina canyon, Richfield still dispatch's VHF for the UDOT there. Same with carbon and Emery Grand and San Juan we are still all VHF ... Idk about anything further south
 

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Has any new TG's popped up that could be or are Southern Utah (Region 4) UDOT. With all the plows and the storms down south I was wondering if there were any of the individual TG's for the sheds like up in Regions 1, 2 and 3 or a dispatch TG for Region 4. Just curious????

UDOT road crews down here are still using VHF simplex for their operations. Their supervisor has UCAN & VHF in his truck, so he ("Tango 490") talks with UHP on the normal UHP talkgroups & then can get on VHF to command & control his snowplow/salt trucks, etc.

So no, no UDOT TGs on UCAN down here (yet). Every once in a while I eyeball their big trucks for 800MHz antennas, but as far as I can tell it's just their supervisor-type pickup trucks that obviously have VHF & 800/UCAN antennas.
 
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